<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div></div><div>Jon,</div><div>I am a little way through the ABS document "Application of ergonomics to marine systems" which has some suggested standards for marine display layouts & symbols </div><div>for boats/ships.</div><div>A lot of these would be applicable to submarines, but then standard symbols for other items more peculiar to submarines may need to be sourced elsewhere. </div><div>We could probably produce a pretty good template.</div><div>I will look at submitting some draft screen layouts for comment, & we could see </div><div>where we go from there.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div><br>On 18/02/2019, at 3:38 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7968">Alan, maybe we create an international standard.<br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7966" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7965"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7964"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7963"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7967"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7970"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:31 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Instrument Display<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7971"><br><div id="yiv0285494313"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7973"><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7972">Jon,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7974">the paper that Sean referenced covers labels & has " North American Standards"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7975"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://eagle.org/" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7976">http://eagle.org/</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7977">I will keep in mind your thoughts as all though the symbols may conform to</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7978">a standard, it is not obvious what some of them stand for.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7979">Maybe the addition of a small word underneath would be helpful.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7980">Alan</div><div class="yiv0285494313yqt3844362632" id="yiv0285494313yqt36225"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7981"><br clear="none">On 16/02/2019, at 12:23 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7985"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7984"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7983"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13355"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7982">I may end up changing my labels back to english instead of using icons. I originally had english labels but then thought about being a good global doobey and trying to find international icons just in case a non-english speaking person used my sub. Now I think I over-thought that. Having used a computer system in the R-300 it seems like it is much easier to say "click on SETTINGS" rather than "click on the icon that sort of looks like a bunch of slide bars" if you have to give instructions over the underwater comms.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13355"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13355"><span>Thoughts?</span></div><div class="yiv0285494313qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13356"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0285494313yahoo_quoted" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13360" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13359" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13358" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13357"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550457456600_7986">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 14, 2019 4:57 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Instrument Display<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv0285494313y_msg_container" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13368"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13543">Hi,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13542">I'm about to design my instrument display & have been looking round for pictures<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13501">of how other subs have done this. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13463">Jon has a good video out on his system & I have found the odd image on line.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13435">I want to taylor it to my requirements & innovations & also go as close as possible <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13395">to complying to G.L. standards.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13394">A sample image is below. If anyone has anything similar on file I wouldn't mind <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13393">having a look. If you could email to me on <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13392" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a> or post<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13374">here it would be appreciated. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13373">Would really love to find a submersible operating manual for one of the contemporary<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0285494313yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1550272545755_13367">submarines that are out there, but they would be pretty difficult to get hold of.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Cheers Alan</div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="yqt3844362632" id="yqt88717">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>