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<div>Thanks for the help guys!</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:15:10 PM MST, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">I took a flashlight out to the trailer tonight, knowing that I'd<br clear="none">forget tomorrow! The little placard reads, 'panels attached with 3M<br clear="none">VHB bonding systems.' It's a Carmate brand trailer, btw. Good luck on<br clear="none">the gluing Hank. ~ Doug S.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 12/22/17, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi Alan,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> So far I've been anodizing almost everything in what the anodizer calls<br clear="none">> "natural" finish. Sorry, I can't recall what it is in more technical terms<br clear="none">> but it was their recommendation for salt water and I figure someone who<br clear="none">> anodizes all day long knows more about it than I do. When they first<br clear="none">> described it to me it sounded aesthetically iffy, because they called it a<br clear="none">> slightly greenish gray. However, I actually really like it. It doesn't look<br clear="none">> like anodized aluminum to me, it looks like some sort of unknown metal.<br clear="none">> Cheap titanium maybe! But again, I didn't pick it for the looks.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Photos coming in maybe a week or two...<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Best,<br clear="none">> Alec<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> Alec,<br clear="none">>> I am interested in the photos when you take them.<br clear="none">>> I have a valve design based on Vance's but operated with solenoids.<br clear="none">>> However am open to alternatives.<br clear="none">>> What sort of anodising? I had my lights marine anodised but will go to<br clear="none">>> hard anodising next as they can scratch relatively easy. Could however<br clear="none">>> be the anodiser, I am not experienced enough to know!<br clear="none">>> Alan<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Sent from my iPad<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On 23/12/2017, at 3:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Wow!!! that will go down like a rock, what drives them?<br clear="none">>> Hank<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Friday, December 22, 2017, 6:36:20 PM MST, Alec Smyth via<br clear="none">>> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Did you mean to say "ballast tank?" Working on it! Just this evening I<br clear="none">>> finished making a set of five "mushroom" valves - four for the boat and<br clear="none">>> one<br clear="none">>> spare. I've been testing them by installing them in the bottom of a<br clear="none">>> bucket<br clear="none">>> and using them to dump the water. Monday I'll take them to be anodized,<br clear="none">>> and<br clear="none">>> when I get them back will take photos and post something on the projects<br clear="none">>> page. They're a Hugh Fulton design and I have to say I'm impressed, he<br clear="none">>> did<br clear="none">>> an absolutely amazing job. The root of Shackleton's problems was water<br clear="none">>> blocking in the MBT vent lines, which turns out to be a hard problem to<br clear="none">>> solve with the raft configuration MBTs because the lines have a lot of<br clear="none">>> horizontal ground to cover. Since mushroom valves use no vent line, there<br clear="none">>> can't be water blocking and I'm hoping they're the solution. Next up, I'm<br clear="none">>> going to go into calculations and design mode and make new MBTs that<br clear="none">>> leverage these valves. It'll be interesting diving with these, the sub<br clear="none">>> should submerge in seconds. It's four valves that are three inches in<br clear="none">>> diameter each.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Best,<br clear="none">>> Alec<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Alec,<br clear="none">>> My research so far shows that aerospace parts are glued also. I am sure<br clear="none">>> the Lotus folks are pretty closed lipped about how they do it. I will do<br clear="none">>> some testing, just checking with the group to save some time and<br clear="none">>> headache.<br clear="none">>> What are you using for a ballast an now? or is it a surprise.<br clear="none">>> Hank<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Friday, December 22, 2017, 5:29:20 PM MST, Alec Smyth via<br clear="none">>> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Lotus Cars famously have done that, introducing bonded aluminum chassis<br clear="none">>> with the Elise and continuing it on subsequent models. The reason is that<br clear="none">>> welding weakens the material, so if it were welded they would need to<br clear="none">>> increase the amount of material and it would eat up the weight savings.<br clear="none">>> Problem is, I don't know the specifics of the glue they use nor the<br clear="none">>> process.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Best,<br clear="none">>> Alec<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 6:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none">>> org <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Hi All,<br clear="none">>> I have an idea that requires glueing aluminum plates together. 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