<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div>James,</div></div><div>I have never had a diesel engine but I have travelled many miles under my own power. I think an engine is the only way to go if you have the room etc. Do you have a large enough opening to get one in? You must be enjoying that new shop.</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_3810677093" class="yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"><div>On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 5:22:38 AM MDT, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir='ltr'><html><body>yes, your probably right. the idea would be to have some sort of rope<br clear="none">mooring system which would pull the sub into the pontoons and then be<br clear="none">able to lock them solid so the whole thing becomes one. But its only<br clear="none">an idea. Im still going for the diesel inboard I think. Hoping to<br clear="none">start in the winter.<br clear="none"><div class="yqt3790827504" id="yqtfd34092"><br clear="none">On 23/08/2017, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi JamesI would be worried about the boat heaving in waves while the sub is<br clear="none">> relatively stable and trying to marry the two together. Lots of pinched<br clear="none">> fingers in bad weather. I suppose if the weather is bad and it is to<br clear="none">> difficult to get the sub inside the pontoons, you could simply tow it until<br clear="none">> it is safe to capture.It seems the last consideration in designing a sub is<br clear="none">> how well it will tow. I think a semi submersible support boat is the<br clear="none">> answer, at least that is what I am working toward.Hank<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 1:58:25 AM MDT, James Frankland via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hank. Just an idea but I had thought of some sort of pontoon thing, a bit<br clear="none">> like a catermaran that's you drive the sub into. Pontoon is then firmly<br clear="none">> attached to the sub so it becomes one surface boat. Pontoon can have a<br clear="none">> decent outboard, fuel, stores, BBQ etc. Drive to the dive site. Detach,<br clear="none">> dive and re attach when done. Thoughts?James<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Tuesday, 22 August 2017, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Alan,Have you towed a sub with a small boat? It sucks real bad. I hate it<br clear="none">> !!! ;-) Packing the sub with batteries is an option up to 260 lbs. That<br clear="none">> is not cheap. My batteries are almost 600 dollars each here in Canada.<br clear="none">> Lots to think about I guess.Hank<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 3:47:29 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hank,you would have to turn off & on the motor in the inflatable &detach the<br clear="none">> power cord which may be more difficult than justtowing with the inflatable &<br clear="none">> boarding the sub.I know you disliked towing because of the<br clear="none">> unpredictableweather, but have you been in the bad weather with<br clear="none">> the inflatable! They can take anything! If you pulled the nose ofthe<br clear="none">> inflatable in to the submarine with a rope, you should beable to board in<br clear="none">> foul weather. ( my theory anyway )Is the outboard going to be an over-kill<br clear="none">> as you will be limited by your thrusters as to how much power you required!<br clear="none">> What about buying more batteries to extend the range!Pack them in if it's a<br clear="none">> long journey. They may come in handydriving a heater or air con on shorter<br clear="none">> dives. Other than that maybe make a pod with a diesel engine in itthat can<br clear="none">> replace your escape pod!Cheers Alan<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Sent from my iPad<br clear="none">> On 23/08/2017, at 9:00 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi All,Well I had an idea that I could put a small diesel engine in my<br clear="none">> escape pod and it would be a quick easy modification. Turns out a diesel<br clear="none">> that will fit is not readily available, so I looked at my gas engine. That<br clear="none">> fits but is full of hazards that will take to much time to address. So I<br clear="none">> give up! Now onto the new idea. I thought about putting a 36V generator in<br clear="none">> my inflatable since I am towing it anyways. I can just tie the boat to the<br clear="none">> side of Gamma and run a power line over to the sub to power a drive motor.<br clear="none">> That will work but I have improved on that idea. The boat will have a<br clear="none">> Johnson 9.5 hp outboard on it, so why not machine a hub onto the outboard<br clear="none">> motor flywheel and drive a 36V alternator( generator) directly, then the<br clear="none">> same motor can do two jobs. It has to be direct drive to the alternator<br clear="none">> because the crank bearing in the motor can not take a side load for a pulley<br clear="none">> and belt. This could work!Hank.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 9:49:18 AM MDT, Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hello HankEthanol do not explode like gasoline. It will burn but do not<br clear="none">> cause a burst explosion like gasoline. It is safer and if there is an<br clear="none">> accident and it spill over the enviroment, you get some drunk fishes but<br clear="none">> nothing serious, after a hangover they will be fine.<br clear="none">> As far as I know in some states in the US is possible also to destill your<br clear="none">> own ethanol for fuel, of course you must get the permit.<br clear="none">> Is a ideaBest wishesJuergen<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org><br clear="none">> schrieb am 14:31 Montag, 21.August 2017:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Juergen,That is interesting, what makes Ethanol safer? does it have a<br clear="none">> lower flash point? No worries with the passengers drinking the fuel, I will<br clear="none">> post a sign that says" if you drink the fuel you have to swim home"<br clear="none">> ;-)Hank<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Monday, August 21, 2017, 9:24:42 AM MDT, Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi Hank,An idea is to convert the motor to ethanol, it looses 10% power, but<br clear="none">> ethanol is saver than gasoline. The greatest problem is to avoid that the<br clear="none">> passengers drink the fuel :-).Best wishesJuergen<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org><br clear="none">> schrieb am 6:52 Sonntag, 20.August 2017:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hi All,My diesel engine did not work out in the end, and 6 hp I suspect is<br clear="none">> a bit skinny. I do have a beautiful 15 hp 4 stroke Honda outboard that has<br clear="none">> been converted to run a hydraulic pump inboard. I converted it many years<br clear="none">> ago to power my sternwheeler but ended up with an antique engine. The engine<br clear="none">> is stripped down to a bare engine with external water pump and internal oil<br clear="none">> cooler. The problem is, it is a gas engine, and that is a big NO NO or is<br clear="none">> it? If the fuel supply is outside the hull and the engine is run out of<br clear="none">> fuel before a dive, then there is no fuel at all inside the sub while it<br clear="none">> dives. An engine compartment blower fan can constantly circulate air<br clear="none">> through a duct to the outside of the sub. I know as a rule it is considered<br clear="none">> a bad idea but with careful installation it could be a very nice drive<br clear="none">> system. This would be much quieter and smoother than a diesel engine. The<br clear="none">> Honda would be very easy to remove from the escape pod if I need to escape.<br clear="none">> The Honda 4 stroke is as reliable as even a Yanmar diesel. I was bragging<br clear="none">> to a Honda mechanic one time that the Honda starts with two pulls in the<br clear="none">> spring. 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