<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Some time ago we were discussing the "Chinese oil barrel submarine"</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">& didn't think it safe to 15ft let alone the 30ft he thought it was capable</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">of. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CGu6tpYpXLE">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CGu6tpYpXLE</a></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"> I got in contact with the builder via the reporter who had written the story.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The reporter said he had grave concerns at the time. I conveyed some</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">basic safety procedures like testing unmanned, & putting in a flood valve.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">He looked at our site & was very impressed & appreciated our concern.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"> I believe some psubbers also contacted an American teenager who was building</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">out of a plastic drain pipe.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Perhaps one of the European Psubbers could get in contact with these guys.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I thought at first this must have been an ambient sub, but looks like a 1atm</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">bathtub.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">In the video above, the oil barrel submarine runs in to trouble!</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Alan</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 12/07/2017, at 5:35 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3368">Notice how they title the video with the word "death" in it. Almost as if they are proud of the drama. The problem is two things- not sticking to established principles and wanting to talk about the drama.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3369">I dived my sub in Lake Anna for almost ten years from a certain marina. In 2006, I told some fellow psubbers about the location as a possible convention site. They volunteered to "talk" to the owner to set it up </span>(big mistake). Next thing I knew, the owner told me that a group told him about all the safety features that were needed to avoid the "danger". Not wanting the "danger" at his marina, he decided not to allow subs there anymore, including mine.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr">I was the one that got permission from the Army Corps to use Raystown Lake instead. It was no problem at all. I didn't talk about drama. I answered their questions. They said yes and gave me free use of the visitor center to boot. We had about 6 subs that year and had a great time. I kept my sub at Raystown for another two years diving it with no problems (or attention).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr">Today the Army Corps requires a lengthy process to grant the same permission. Some where along the way they changed their minds about submarines. It is both good and bad. Good because they are requiring some safety items that will weed out the nuts. Bad, because now we are "on the radar". Today we already have fewer places to dive than just a few years ago.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"> Psubs is cool because fabricators can share less expensive methods for construction while still following the guidelines. A lot of dangerous practices for the sake of "innovation" and a lot a drama can ruin it for everyone. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3139" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4707">Greg</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3370"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3376" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3375"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3374"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3373"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3372"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3371"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:45 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video of bathtub submarine<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3377"><br><div id="yiv2459808399"><title></title><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3379"><div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_3378"> </div>
<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4726"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;">Its show just how important it is to design a proper submarine. <br clear="none"></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4729"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4728">A drop weight will not help if the boat itself, or the hatch or the windows of such a trash submarine </span></div>
<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4730"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;">will collapse in estimate 3-5 metre deep. </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4733"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4732">At the end of the road from accidents by such people will be a new law: </span></div>
<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4734"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4735">Selfbuilding a submarine without certificate/classification forbitten. </span></div>
<div style="margin:0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4737"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499792010785_4736">And this will end all our hobby for cost reason. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv2459808399yqt8373320002" id="yiv2459808399yqt65370"><div style="margin:0px;">Von: "Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></div>
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