<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Cliff, ( or anyone)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I was thinking of ways of making my one person sub idiot proof with </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">regard to the turning on of the O2 supply. If I let anybody dive it I won't</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">be in there to oversee.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">My ideas are to have a switch under the seat ( as they have on ride on lawn</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">mowers) & a hatch closure switch ( which is required by G.L. ) linked to</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">the O2 system so that when both switches are closed ( pilot seated &</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">hatch closed) the O2 feed system is activated. This will be the solenoid top</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">up part of the O2 system. A sign & maybe audible voice will say " Turn on Oxygen</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">valve". So the system will be like the DW O2 add system where there is a </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">minimal amount of O2 constantly flowing but the balance flows in from a solenoid</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">valve activated by O2 level readings.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The CO2 scrubber could also be linked.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Any thoughts on this?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks Alan</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"> </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 2/07/2017, at 1:13 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span>Cliff,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498957842693_3160" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498957842693_3187">That is exactly what I did, I put the tank specs in the unstiffened cylinder program. The only problem is, I can not findways of the exact material the steel tanks are made from. I am assuming same steel and gives a good estimate.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498957842693_3160" dir="ltr"><span>Thanks Cliff</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498957842693_3160" dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Saturday, July 1, 2017 6:05 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2484074644"><div><div>Most of the FEA packages associated with 3-d modeling software use a linear model. You would need an FEA tool that can model buckling to study this. An alternative is to use the ABS stress analysis spreadsheet with no stiffeners. This would give a conserative crush depth.</div><div id="yiv2484074644AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2484074644AppleMailSignature">Cliff</div><div id="yiv2484074644AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Cliff Redus</div></div><div><div class="yiv2484074644yqt7986811274" id="yiv2484074644yqtfd49964"><br clear="none">On Jul 1, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv2484074644yqt7986811274" id="yiv2484074644yqtfd18492"><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="yiv2484074644yqt7986811274" id="yiv2484074644yqtfd57664"><div><div>I am unsure of the depth rating of an empty scuba tank. It could be easily found out on a solidworks simulation.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2484074644composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> </div><div>Date: 7/1/17 12:34 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] O2 tanks </div><div><br clear="none"></div></div>Thanks' Scott,Do you know what the max depth rating for an empty Scuba O2 tank is. I suppose you could increase the rating by using only part of the volume and leave pressure inside them. A sub could carry several in that case since they are close to neutral buoyant. Hank <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> On Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:25 AM, Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Hank,Alvin has all the O2 supply internally. Pisces has the mission O2 internally and emergency supply externally in special steel cylinders that are pressure tested to 1.25 max depth while empty.Thanks,Scott Waters<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br clear="none">-------- Original message --------From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> Date: 7/1/17 9:59 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> Su<blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div class="yqt7986811274" id="yqtfd52174">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>