<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span>Brian,</span></div><div><span>The plan is 12,000 feet and the sphere is a CNG storage sphere, also I miss spoke, it weighs 8,500 lbs. </span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:45 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8775596281"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>Holy crap Hank,  How deep will this thing go ?</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic foam.<br clear="none">Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 02:52:05 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8775596281yqt0757893115" id="yiv8775596281yqt85762"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Pete,</span></div><div><span>Not sure what your planning, but I have 8 AGM 6v and two extra for my travel motors.  Unless your planning long transits, you can drop 4 batteries.  With the efficiencies  found in lighting etc, 8 batteries is lots.  Can you move your batteries forward a pinch.</span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:47 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div>  <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div dir="ltr">Yeah it's 42 " but with 12 batteries aft it puts me ass heavy and I need 1200 lbs to balance it which put me over budget ballast wise. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">--------------------------------------------<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 6/24/17, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Date: Saturday, June 24, 2017, 8:11 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Pete,A<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> lottery win would help ,lol.  I will not rotate the sphere,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> I will launch it with me in it, in the correct orientation.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   I will go old school with the batteries and use oil<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> filled lead acid, for simplicity and low cost.  Personally<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> if I were building a K350 variant, I would not  bother with<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> pods, I would have AGM internal batteries.  Again for cost,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> simplicity and speed of construction, increase the hull<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> diameter to 42 inches while your at it.   Emile has the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> perfect set up, I would copy that.Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">     On Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:00 PM, Pete<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  WOW !<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Are you going to rotate the sphere to have the port ( I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> assume you mean View Port) where you want it ?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> You<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> seem to have cracked quite a few nuts that challenged<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Psubbers.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> What<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> about <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Thru<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hulls for control, power, life support, comm, etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Battery<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> banks ( I'm especially interested in this. I am working<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> on a design of a K350 variant and I don't the like<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> battery pods<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Thrusters <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> and compansation.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hope you win the lottery some day.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">     <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   From: hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> To: Personal<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Sent:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:38 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Subject: Re:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Hi Pete,Elementary<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 12,000  will have a 48 inch by  3.25 in thick occupant<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> sphere 516-70 steel, and it will weigh 8,000 lbs.  The port<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> and hatch will be combined, and the hatch land will be a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> bolt in place part.  I will machine the conical opening<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> with my own flange facing machine.  If I achieve the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> accuracy with the land that  I have with Elementary, 3000<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> that will be great, if not then I will have it re-machined<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> professionally.  The new sphere will go in place of the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> sphere in Elementary 3000 and all the parts will be swapped<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> out.  That is the plan Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    On Saturday, June 24,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 2017 2:22 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank, What are your preliminary hull specs for<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Elementary 12000?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> --------------------------------------------<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> On Fri, 6/23/17, Alan via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Subject: Re:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  To: "Personal Submersibles General<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Date: Friday, June 23,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 2017, 8:44 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank,yes the gas tanks<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> may<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  be expensive. You<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> could possibly make<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> series of boxes for the petrol. Make a box out<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  ofmarine<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  ply, seal it with epoxy,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> drill a couple of holes in the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  bottom & glue ina flexible membrane<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  across the inside bottom<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> of the box. Then seal a top<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  on with a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> valve for filling. Just brain storming here!Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  24/06/2017, at 1:12 PM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan,Those<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  look amazing and<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> expensive.  I am not saying it is not<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  doable, I am just<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> very nervous due to lack of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  knowledge.  I am sure with proper engineering<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> and safety<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  grounding<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> it can be safe.  I would go with CNG type 4 tanks<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  before I did gasoline.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  I can buy one brand new tank that<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  will provide all the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> buoyancy I need for 2,500-3,000  or I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  can buy a used tank that<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> is current until 2030 for 1,100<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  dollars plus shipping.  Also the CNG tank only<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> adds 105 lbs<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  plus<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> compressed air weight to the  dry weight, making the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  sub easy to lift onto the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> deck of my proposed landing<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  craft.Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Friday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 23,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 6:32 PM, Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Hank,I had<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  another quick Google on<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> collapsible petrol<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> containers.There<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  is a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> huge variety, with manufacturers offering tailor<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  made products.Here<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  is a news item about them<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> using them on the jetpack. They<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  have a collapsible<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  fuel tank strapped to their<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> back.http://www.atlinc.com/newsreleases.htmlAlan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    From: hank pronk<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   To: Personal<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Submersibles General<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Sent: Saturday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  24, 2017 11:16 AM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Subject: Re:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan,I am<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  still considering that<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> idea but Sean said NO ;-(   It is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  cheap and I would have<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> lots of exta buoyancy.  This is good<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  for Elementary 3,000 but<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> not Elementary 12,000.  I want to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  explore all ideas,  and<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> will end up where I started with<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  spheres in epoxy ;-)Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Friday, June 23,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 2017 5:01 PM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Hank,what happened to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> your<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  idea of using<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> composite tanks pressurised with<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  air?As long<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> as they were in test & you had multiple tanks, with a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  drop weight thatcould<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> compensate for<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  one<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> failing, that would be ok wouldn't it?If you were<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> filling to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  3000psi,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> they wouldn't see external pressure till<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  6000ft.You<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  could always test the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> idea at Nuytco.Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  24/06/2017, at 10:17 AM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  LOL,I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  checked on<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> the compressibility and it will compress<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  .5 percent, per 1,000 psi<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  same as hydraulic oil.   I have<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  weighed two types of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Olive oil today and the specific<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gravity is actually .86g\cc  so it is to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> heavy.  I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  can't<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> seem to find the light weight stuff .703g\cc<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    if you buy in bulk it<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> is 5 dollars per kg  so<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  far.I am<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> not even sure I can drive down the road with that much<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> gas,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  mind you it would<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> be hidden behind panels on the sub.  Then<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  there is the expansion<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> while it sits in the hot weather.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   If the tree huggers heard about it they would<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> crap in<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  their pants<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> and chase me down, luckily my truck can out run<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  a VW van lol.Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Friday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 23,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 3:53 PM, Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Hank,is that extra<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> virgin or<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  cold<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> pressed? I wonder if it compressesunder<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  pressure.Olive oil would<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> be an<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  expensive way to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> go. Whereas petrol costsnothing if you re-use<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  it. Not<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  sure why you fear<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> gasoline; they let women pump it in to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  their cars<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  at gas stations!Cheers<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  24/06/2017, at 4:21 AM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alec,Thank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  you, I should have bought<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> those instead of the 11 inch,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  grrrr.  I could go with those floats, but I do<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> hope to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  build the next<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> generation  Elementary sub.  I want to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  figure out the whole foam<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> thing and possibly carry it over<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  to the next sub.  Alan has really intrigued me<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> with using<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gasoline, I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> am terrified of that idea but it has caused me<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  to stumble onto another<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> liquid.  In searching I have<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  discovered that Olive Oil is even lighter<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  than gasoline, and<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> obviously safer for me and the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  environment.  I have no idea yet if it is an<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> option, I only<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> stumbled onto it this morning.   If anyone knows of a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> bad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  reason to use<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Olive Oil, please let me know.  Olive Oil is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  .703 g\cc and I can<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> put it into plastic containers that<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  are .93 g\cc Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Friday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 23,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 9:28 AM, Alec<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Actually there are<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  trawl floats rated to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 1800m. That should have you covered<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank! Check out #629<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> below.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://trawlworks.com/floats.html">http://trawlworks.com/floats.html</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Best,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alec<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> at<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  1:21 PM, Brian Cox<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  These guys have<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 14"<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  spherical<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> buoys rated to 800 meters   - $120.00    with<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  a positive buoyancy of 39<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> #    they are not syntactic. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  The syntactics start at 30" in dia<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mooringsystems.com/">http://www.mooringsystems.com/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> buoyancy.htm   Brian <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  --- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  From: james<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  cottrell via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  To:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Subject: Re:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Date:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:52:56<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Deep sea glass floats<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> are rated for 10,000<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> psi<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://teledynebenthos.com/">http://teledynebenthos.com/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> product/flotation_instrument_ housings/flotation-glass-<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  spheres<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Greg<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">        <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  From: Alan via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   To: Personal<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Submersibles General<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Sent: Monday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 12,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 6:18 PM<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Subject: Re:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> foam.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank,if you<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  are getting 3lb of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> floatation per gallon then you need<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  184gallons of gas. 184 x<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 3 = 552 ( near<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> enough).Cheers Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On 13/06/2017, at 9:50<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> AM, hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan,I need 550 lbs<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> flotation  and one imp<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gallon of water is 10 lbs and gas is 7 lbs that<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> gives me 3<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  lbs<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> buoyancy per imp gallon that means I need 1650 gallons<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  of gas.Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Monday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 12,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 3:43 PM, Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank,are you sure<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> that's<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  right!That<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> would give 1900kg of floatation (<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  nearly 2 ton)That is based on gasoline being<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> .71<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  of the weight of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> water. So every litreof gas<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gives you about 290 grams of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> floatation. Metric<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> system is much easier for calculating these<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  things.Cheers Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On 12/06/2017, at 11:42<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> PM, hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan,Those<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  are nice, I can see other<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> uses for them.  If I use<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gasoline, I would need about  1,750 imperial<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> gallons for<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Elementary.    I was mistaken about the  liquid<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> paraffin,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gasoline is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> better. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Sunday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 11,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 11:36 PM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Maybe<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  something like this<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> collapsable plastic fuel<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  tank, inside a protective fibreglass housing,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> or<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  a grate<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> arrangement.  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.bdoutdoors.com/">https://www.bdoutdoors.com/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> atl-fuel-bladder-extra/Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On 12/06/2017, at 12:28 PM, hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Alan,Yes I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  have, it is very simple<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> and effective.  There are of coarse<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  some hazardous<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> logistical problems not to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  mention environmental concerns.  I would opt<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> for<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  diesel fuel to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> reduce the fire hazard.  Any time you have<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  plastic and gas it is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> dangerous.  Last week I did a barge<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  job replacing dock<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> piles.  When I walked up and down the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  plastic dock floats,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> every time I touched the steel piles I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  got a spark.  Actually<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Liquid paraffin is even better at<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  .8g\ccHank <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Sunday, June 11,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 5:32 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank,have you looked at<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> using<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  gasoline?More<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> volume required for the same<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  floatation as syntactic foam,but apart from<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  holding tanks it<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> would cost you nothing, as<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  youcould use it after the dive. If you<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> designed<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  right you<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> could fill the tanksat your<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  destination.Alan<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> my iPad<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  On 12/06/2017,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> at 6:03 AM, hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Greg,that sounds good,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  I would love to find a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> more cost effective foam.  I still<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  want to build one more<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> sub that goes much deeper, but the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  foam cost is not<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> manageable.  I estimate I can build a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Titanic capable sub<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  for 100,000 and 80,000 of that is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  foam.  ;-(Hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Sunday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 11,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 8:29 AM, hank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Greg,There has to be<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> good reason to make foam by<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  other means than standard practices.   Cost<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> would be the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  biggest<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> reason, and using wax will probably work, but is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  there a saving?  Using<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> wax means you have to use a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  deeper rated sphere to offset the loss of<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> reinforcement<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  provided<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> by the resin.  I have no idea what the cost<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  difference would be. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Maybe the cost is still much<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  better.  When I look at Cliff's report, the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> resin is<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  not the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> expensive part.  Perhaps the direction should be,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  to look for a replacement<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> for the spheres.  In Cliff's<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  report it shows the resin triples the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> sphere's<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> performance.  That implies that the true strength comes<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  from the resin.  Maybe a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> sawdust resin or a styrofoam<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  granule resin is worth looking at also.  Maybe<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> it is a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  simple as air<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> entrained resin?Fun to<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> think about anyways.Hank <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Sunday, June 11,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 6:22 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   Hi Scott,Thanks<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  for the offer, but I need<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> foam for 3,000<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> feet.Hank <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      On Saturday, June<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 10,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  2017 9:03 PM,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hola from Costa Rica!<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Depends on if they are<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> glass or<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  carbon fiber<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> spheres and what size they are. They are all<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  pretty durable. We are<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> actually cutting up the foam on<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Pisces and reattaching it to get the shapes we<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  want. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  I do have a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  ton of syntactic foam<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> that is cert to 400m that I'd sell<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  you for super cheap. Like<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> all of it for $200<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Thanks,Scott<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Waters<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Sent from my<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  U.S. Cellular®<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Smartphone<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  --------<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Original message<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> --------From: hank pronk via<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> Date: 6/10/17 <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 12:38 PM  (GMT-06:00)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org> Subject:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> [PSUBS-MAILIST] syntactic<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  foam. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  I<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> have an idea, but not sure if it will work. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  My idea is to fill a<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> neutrally buoyant container with macro<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  and micro spheres. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> After the container is as full as<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  possible, then fill with an environmentally<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> friendly oil. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  This<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> would be more buoyant than using a resin and less<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  complicated and<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> cheaper.  My concern is, how well will the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  spheres stand up against<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> breaking from being in contact with<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  the other spheres and the<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> container.   Are these spheres<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  delicate?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Hank______________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  _________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  mailing list<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  listinfo.cgi/personal_<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ______________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  _________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  mailing list<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  listinfo.cgi/personal_<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">      <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ______________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  _________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  mailing list<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs." target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  org<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  listinfo.cgi/personal_<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> submersibles<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">  <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">   <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">    <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ________________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