<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Alan,</div><div>I'd be interested to see what you come up with on cable. My research indicated a polyurethane outer sheath was the way to go (and it's held up extremely well to the punishment my caving lights have seen) but that's also really expensive and hard to get. I previously used PVC and it held up well enough, slightly different application though.</div><div><br></div><div>The China stuff - yep there's a lot of good stuff, but also a lot of bad stuff. Your experience is pretty bad though, usually they are a lot better than that.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Steve</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thanks Steve,</div><div>I found some in a local sports shop. I'll see how it likes the</div><div>marine environment!</div><div> Have changed tack a bit as I thought I should be nailing down</div><div>exactly what cable I'm going to use so I know what material I am</div><div>gluing to. G.L. wants self extinguishing sheathing / insulation</div><div>& halogen free. Also can't be hydroscopic. </div><div> Got my pressure sensors back from China (again) they now have</div><div>the right fitting but still a sloppy fit. They sent them out with an </div><div>over-sized o-ring that wouldn't fit, even though I supplied them a </div><div>first stage regulator for testing. I am thinking that your original</div><div>suggestion of an adapter would have been a better way to go!</div><span><div>Alan </div><div><br><br><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 17/05/2017, at 10:54 AM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">Hi Alan,<div dir="auto">Try searching for Shoe Goo - I gather it's the same stuff. I've got some off ebay in Australia and used with good success on wetsuit gloves for caving. Liquid Electrical Engineering Tape is also good if you brush it on in thin layers.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Steve</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2017 6:50 am, "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="auto"><div>Hank,</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">thanks, I feel I am getting somewhere.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">I can't find Goop in N.Z. but have been looking at other marine products.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">You are right about the silicone not being ideal. 90 % of the marine adhesives</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">I looked at are polyurethane based products. Although the outer moulded</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">section will be polyurethane, sometimes mouldable products lose a bit of their</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">adhesion with their "bulking" additives.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">Keith Gordon gave me a link to a product he has used for splicing underwater</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">cables. You squirt the glue in to heat shrink tubing that is around the cables, then</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">heat the ends of the heat shrink tubing to close it. </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">I will do a bit more research on that today.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature">Alan</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 17/05/2017, at 12:11 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ed <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yui_3_16_0_1_1494936411365_5279"><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yui_3_16_0_1_1494936411365_5279" dir="ltr"><span id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yui_3_16_0_1_1494936411365_5367">Got it, there is a way better option than silicone for that. The product is call Goop or shoe goo. This stuff is amazing, it sticks much better than silicone and is super tough. I patch my waders with it, and you can not peel it off, no way no how.</span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yui_3_16_0_1_1494936411365_5279" dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:25 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152y_msg_container"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106"><div><div>Hank,</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">I see you can't sleep again!</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">Thanks for the offer on the windshield polyurethane. </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">My thought process went like this.... I had seen Doug's video where he</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">had several failures using just the epoxy, so I was going to coat the epoxy</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">with silicone to seal it better. On my Subconn connectors I noticed they</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">have a thin layer of rubber vulcanised for about an inch up the wire casing;</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">I wanted to mimic this but with silicone. Then the polyurethane outer was,</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">as I have said, a cable support, protection for the silicone & to make it look</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">tidy. It didn't necessarily have to adhere to the silicone. I need a material </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">that will compress at a similar rate as the cable I am</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">using, so that one surface doesn't pull away from the other.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">I might test the silicone against the polyurathane to see what adheres best</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">to my wiring & aluminium light housing, & go from there.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">I will have at least 50 through hull fittings to do & am open to playing around</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">with a few variations to get it right.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">Cheers Alan</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt6118471850" id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt93257"><div><br clear="none">On 16/05/2017, at 9:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_1_1494927294377_4006"><span id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_1_1494927294377_4243">There is really no need for the silicone layer, in fact it might cause you grief trying to get another material to stick to it. If you need some testing done on the windshield stuff, let me know, I have some left over.</span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_1_1494927294377_4006"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, May 15, 2017 7:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106y_msg_container"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106"><div><div>Thanks, I will have a look at that it sounds like it would have the</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">adhesion that's needed.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">This stuff is designed for encapsulating electronics in marine</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">environments. I was going to use it over a thin layer of silicone but</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">might not use the silicone now. </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">Alan</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt5859267136" id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt09144"><div><br clear="none">On 16/05/2017, at 12:06 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>I have good luck with windshield adhesive (poly urethane) I used it as a liquid rubber. It is super tough and cheap.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, May 15, 2017 5:40 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106y_msg_container"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106"><div><div>Ended up ordering this encapsulating 2 part flexible polyurethane, </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">that is suitable for a marine environment.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature"><a href="http://nz.element14.com/robnor/el110h-bk-250/encapsulant-2k-flex-pu-gp-marine/dp/1891122" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://nz.element14.com/robnor<wbr>/el110h-bk-250/encapsulant-2k-<wbr>flex-pu-gp-marine/dp/1891122</a></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">Will see how it goes!</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106AppleMailSignature">Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt1776850023" id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt17615"><div><br clear="none">On 16/05/2017, at 3:43 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt1776850023" id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yqt04588"><div>Thanks Hank,</div><div>I need the two wires to angle off to the sides as they are soldered on</div><div>to the corners of the LED.</div><div>Yes I could thread the outside of the nozzle & put on a blue globe cable gland,</div><div>I have some. Even though Carsten & Emile are advocates of the Blue globe,</div><div>they do fit two on each penetration; one on the outside, one on the inside &</div><div>I can't do that with the light fitting.</div><div> I have come across a few likely candidates for the outer covering in the way</div><div>of a mouldable polyurethane for marine applications......</div><div><a href="https://www.aeromarineproducts.com/product/urethane-75a-encapsulating-compound/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://www.aeromarineproducts<wbr>.com/product/urethane-75a-enca<wbr>psulating-compound/</a></div><div>This is an American product I can't locate here in N.Z.. Have found a local</div><div>product ...</div><div><a href="http://www.electrolube.co.nz/products/encapsulation-resins-polyurethane/ur5118/polyurethane-potting-compound/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.electrolube.co.nz/p<wbr>roducts/encapsulation-resins-p<wbr>olyurethane/ur5118/polyurethan<wbr>e-potting-compound/</a></div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><br clear="none">On 15/05/2017, at 11:59 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494848739894_4818"><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494848739894_4816" dir="ltr"><span id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494848739894_4815">In an effort to keep it easy and clean looking, I would extend the penetrator body at the wet side to allow for threading on a compression fitting. Slide your cable into that and snug the nut and it is done and clean looking. Also from my experience, I would not angle the wires, I would make it strait through and strip as much of the jacket as possible. I am sure your drawing is not representing the actual amount to be stripped, but it should be more significant. Keeping it strait will make it a lot easier, I have done over 20 wires in one penetrator with a strait threaded bore. </span></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494848739894_4816" dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106y_msg_container"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_2859"> Hi,</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_2858" dir="ltr">I have a number of penetrators to do on my lights & other items, & I'm</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3154" dir="ltr">looking for the best materials for them.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3076">My design is as below. It is the base of my light housing.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3290">I have stripped a small section of wire that runs through the epoxy. </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3291">I am not sure of the best material on the next 2 layers.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3133" dir="ltr">I am looking at this marine silicone, to seal about an inch up the wiring jacket.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3146" dir="ltr"><a id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3145" href="http://www.selleys.co.nz/car-care/sealants/marine/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.selleys.co.nz/car-c<wbr>are/sealants/marine/</a></div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3144" dir="ltr">Am thinking I will apply this silicone with a brush & then tidy things up & both </div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3217" dir="ltr">protect the silicone & support the cable with a molded rubberized outer layer.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3246" dir="ltr">I am not sure of a suitable moldable material for a marine environment.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3247" dir="ltr">Am guessing I will need about the same hardness as a standard o-ring.</div><div id="m_3428767445506268501m_2230286020328245152yiv1449724106yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494815924300_3283" dir="ltr">Any suggestions on the material or comments on the design thanks.</div><div 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