<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4663">Finer grit is always good . As far as polish goes I like to use Novus #2. <br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4711" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4710" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4709" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4708" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4713" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4712"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 10, 2017 10:25 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Elementary 3000 redesign<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4759"><br><div id="yiv4043431363"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4758"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4757" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Greg,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>I was a bit impatient I think, and 1500 is not fine enough for my polish. I have to go to 2000 grit, I use a cheap car polisher with no pressure. </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4756" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4755" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4754" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv4043431363yqt6302403415" id="yiv4043431363yqt56846"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4753" dir="ltr"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4752" face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, April 10, 2017 6:54 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv4043431363y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4762"><div id="yiv4043431363"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4761"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4760" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span></span></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_2899">Hank,</div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3076" dir="ltr">It is possible to take out a shallow scratch without distortion but it takes a lot of work. If the scratch was near the center, it can be wet sanded with a pneumatic orbital sander feathering the surface out. Basically spread the sanded area over the whole surface. Use finer and finer wet sand grits till you reach 1500 then hand rub it clear. Avoid machine buffing because of heat. </div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3083" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3090" dir="ltr">If the scratch is deep or off center then you'll have to turn the whole surface then wet sand/ buff and anneal.</div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3112" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3091" dir="ltr">Greg<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363yahoo_quoted" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3054" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3053" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3052" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv4043431363yqt0227485422" id="yiv4043431363yqt37440"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3051" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3050" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3055"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 10, 2017 5:05 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Elementary 3000 redesign<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv4043431363y_msg_container" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3180"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv4043431363"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3179"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3178" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491814181811_9771"><span>Greg, </span></div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491814181811_9584" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491814181811_9583">I did learn a lesson with my port. I had a small scratch in the outside face, so I sanded it out and polished it. Now I have this small distortion in that spot. I sure doesn't take much for that to happen. I am wondering if I should leave it alone for fear it is like shortening a leg on a chair.</span></div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491814181811_9584" dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363yahoo_quoted" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3177" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3176" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3175" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv4043431363yqt4838256886" id="yiv4043431363yqt11793"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491835290057_4814" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv4043431363y_msg_container" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3186"><div id="yiv4043431363"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3185"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3184" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491791077358_3407"><span>Hi Greg,</span></div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491791077358_3171" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491791077358_3198">The view through the conical port is ridiculously good </span>actually. In the original location, I could see right in front of the sub, so I am willing to loose a bit of the view in front. I need to experiment more to get the perfect balance. My original sphere sub had a 24 in dia 4 inch thick port, so needless to say it was awesome. The comfort was very good because I could sit back without leaning ahead. </div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491791077358_3171" dir="ltr">Hank</div> <div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363yahoo_quoted" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3183" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3182" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3181" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv4043431363yqt1523625015" id="yiv4043431363yqt53905"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:35 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv4043431363y_msg_container" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3189"><div id="yiv4043431363"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3188"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491827371240_3187" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span></span></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2747" dir="ltr">Hi Hank,</div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2790" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2825" dir="ltr">If I understand your email correctly, the only problem you will have is reduced view of the bottom since your port will be higher and angled slightly up during the dive. I ran into the same thing when laying out the side viewports for my sub- the ports needed to be comfortable to look out of and still give a good view downward. Captain Kittredge made the ports for me and made them extra heavy so they could be welded in "angled down" without losing too much strength. The view turned out to be pretty good.</div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2843" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2851" dir="ltr">Just curious- how was the comfort/ view in your previous spherical sub compared to the new sub?</div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2858" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2859" dir="ltr">Greg C<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4043431363yahoo_quoted" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2795" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2794" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2793" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv4043431363yqt5575531946" id="yiv4043431363yqt45325"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2792" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2797" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2796"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 9, 2017 11:41 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Elementary 3000 redesign<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv4043431363y_msg_container" id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491787296395_2876"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv4043431363"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562">Hi All,</div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr">I made a BooBoo when I designed Elementary 3000. I did not spend enough time mocking up the port position for comfort. With the current port location in relation to the hatch, it is uncomfortable. If I raise the port 10 inches by rotating the sphere it is comfortable. I can lean forward easily and look out the port in this position. This means my hatch would be off level at the surface. Does this matter? it is better for staying open I guess. The back of the land will be 3.5 inches lower than the front. </div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr">I am building a new body for the sphere to sit in-it will look more like a Square plastic ROV now than a submarine. I got the idea at Nuytco and actually commented to Phil that you could drop a sphere into the centre of their ROV and you would have a great sub. </div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr">My plan is to have two MBT's, one for and one aft inside the plastic panel enclosure. If I make the aft MBT larger in volume, the sub will float at the surface with the hatch level to the water. When I sink the sub it will be off level with the pilot sitting level with the port where it needs to be. I am using plastic dock floats for MBT's.</div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr">That should work </div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr">Hank</div><div id="yiv4043431363yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491750976757_2562" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yiv4043431363yqt5575531946" id="yiv4043431363yqt89580">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yiv4043431363yqt1523625015" id="yiv4043431363yqt85590">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yiv4043431363yqt4838256886" id="yiv4043431363yqt30110">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yiv4043431363yqt0227485422" id="yiv4043431363yqt19467">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yqt6302403415" id="yqt58372">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>