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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The silicone DOT 5 brakefluid should be also possible. But I believe it is thicker than 5 cst.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Emile<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>Namens </b>Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 31 maart 2017 10:58<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have 5cst silicone oil that I am going to try. But it was all that I could<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>find at the time. I would have preferred a grade nearer 20 cst. Reason being<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>that I have talked with bearing & mechanical seal experts & the thinner the<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>grade the more detrimental it is to both seals & bearings. Also the thinner<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>oil is going to be harder to contain. As said before, the paper I read on oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>filled submersible pumps talked about 20cst oil. I have heard of deionized <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>water being used though.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Alan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 31/03/2017, at 5:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html">http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid<br>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Brian<br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<br>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<br>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>You will be our go to guy for lighting!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Still building lights Hank,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks' Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>How are you doing that Hank?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>rating.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers Alan<br><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Greg C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> "</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles"><span lang=EN-US>MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>" <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Carsten, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>--- </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> wrote:<br><br>From: "</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles"><span lang=EN-US>MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>" <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<br>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>We change to silicon oil for that reason. </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>vbr Carsten </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>An: "PSubs" <</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Brian <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org"><span lang=EN-US>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</span></a></span><span 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