<div dir="ltr">Hi Rick,<div><br></div><div>LEDs need a driver board to supply them with constant voltage and current, and Cliff's design includes an on-board PCB, inside the light itself, that does just that. The heat is dissipated by the housing, which is aluminum and has cooling grooves. Personally I opted for a larger off the shelf driver that will go inside the sub, because I didn't have much ability to solder the surface mount components and didn't have the need to miniaturize that was one of Cliff's design priorities. There are lots of drivers available, and I got mine on eBay like so many other components of the sub. This driver has a heat sink, but I don't expect it to heat up much at all. See eBay item 302203712954. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br>Alec </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>



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<div>Rick,</div>
<div>He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of 
power going to the lights.</div>
<div>Jim</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a> writes:</div>
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  <div dir="ltr">Alec, 
  <div><br></div>
  <div>I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and 
  LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is about 
  3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a 
  10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts.</div>
  <div> I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily 
  have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of 
  my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too 
  forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like 
  $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do 
  you think I would need a PWM for my lite?</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Rick</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div></div>
  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via 
  Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
    <div dir="ltr">My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and 
    they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end 
    inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be 
    installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power 
    supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little 
    sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I 
    already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test 
    these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, 
    the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the 
    sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good 
    idea, or maybe just sunglasses! 
    <div><br></div>
    <div><br></div>
    <div>Best,</div>
    <div><br>Alec</div></div>
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    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via 
    Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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      <div>Thanks Hank,</div>
      <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature">Alec 
      has been making good progress with Cliff's light.</div>
      <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature">Last 
      I heard 2 housings were being anodised.</div>
      <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature">Any 
      update Cliff / Alec ?</div><span>
      <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature">Alan</div>
      <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent 
      from my iPad</div></span>
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      <div><br>On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles 
      <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> 
      wrote:<br><br></div>
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        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yui_3_16_0_1_1490833787039_4029"><span id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yui_3_16_0_1_1490833787039_4028">You 
        will be our go to guy for lighting!</span></div>
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        <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 
        PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> 
        wrote:<br></font></div><br><br>
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        <div>Still building lights Hank,</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">have 
        built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">hopefully 
        this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Am 
        getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Got 
        off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">the 
        lights for his boat. 😐</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Alan</div>
        <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div>
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        <div><br clear="none">On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via 
        Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
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          <div style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff">
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490830254931_5685"><span>Alan,</span></div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490830254931_5685"><span>Are 
          you back to work on your motor?   or are you still building 
          lights?</span></div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490830254931_5685"><span>Hank</span></div>
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          <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 
          PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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          <div style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff">
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10812"><span>Thanks' 
          Greg</span></div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10812"><span><br clear="none"></span></div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10812"><span id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10947">Alan, 
          my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals.  The 
          important part is to keep the oil inside the motor.  When the 
          motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force 
          that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original 
          orientation.  I should actually remove one of the seals and just 
          have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump 
          has.  Those pumps are VERY reliable.  Now having said all 
          this, I could be wrong ;-)   Stay tuned for test 
          results.</span></div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10812"><span>Hank</span></div>
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          <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 
          PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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          <div>How are you doing that Hank?</div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Are 
          you compensating the gap between the two seals?</div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Otherwise 
          you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors</div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">where 
          one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth</div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">rating.</div>
          <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature">Cheers 
          Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div>
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          <div><br clear="none">On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via 
          Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
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            <div><span>Greg,</span></div>
            <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490823301619_3825"><span>Good 
            points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil 
            filling.  I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors 
            for Elementary.  One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps 
            the water out.  I am confident this in addition to the 
            compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up.  
            The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open 
            in a week or so.  I will know then if my idea 
            works.</span></div>
            <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490823301619_3825"><span>Hank</span></div>
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            <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 
            7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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            <div style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff">
            <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490790963881_4935" dir="ltr">I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for 
            compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and 
            rubber to harden and become brittle.</div>
            <div id="m_2023082826403285675m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490790963881_4935" dir="ltr">Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil 
            compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very 
            visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using 
            trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil 
            without leaks.</div>
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            actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also 
            been using air compensation for a long time without problems.<br clear="none"></div>
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            bottle of air lasts for many dives.</div>
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            - 40<br clear="none"></div>
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        a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. <br clear="none"></span></div>
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        motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. </span></div>
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        oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. 
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        <div style="MARGIN:0px">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40</div>
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        Carsten, </div>
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        I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.  It's not as 
        flammable as I thought it would be.  I think they have improved 
        it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat 
        flammable however. </div>
        <div>I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors.</div>
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        Personal_Submersibles" <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">personal_submersibles@psubs.o<wbr>rg</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40<br clear="none">Date: Tue, 
        28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
        <div style="MARGIN:0px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:#000000">Heat 
        Vapor is may a problem with WD40. </span></div></div>
        <div style="MARGIN:0px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:#000000">May 
        ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. <br clear="none"></span></div>
        <div style="MARGIN:0px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:#000000">We 
        change to silicon oil for that reason. </span></div>
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        <div style="MARGIN:0px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;COLOR:#000000">vbr 
        Carsten </span></div>
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        <div style="MARGIN:0px">Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" 
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        <div>I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.  It seemed 
        to be very happy.  I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build 
        up out of the motor.  I was surprised how sealed the motor 
        was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear 
        box.  I was able to fill it up without it leaking out 
        anywhere.  That could be an issue later when I want the mineral 
        oil to fill all the voids.  I might need to actually drill 
        some holes to get some circulation . </div>
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