<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><DIV>Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><A href="http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html">http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html</A></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Brian</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><BR><BR>--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<BR><BR>From: via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400<BR><BR>
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</DIV><DIV>Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become
corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and
from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb
moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to
compensate motors.</DIV>
<DIV>Jim</DIV>
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<DIV>James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely
corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure
about silicone brake fluid.</DIV>
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silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little
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I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the
design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going
in that direction. </DIV>
<DIV>I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front
end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..)
Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor</DIV>
<DIV>pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get
some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the
silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so
expensive. My motor pods </DIV>
<DIV>hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra
volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam.
Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling </DIV>
<DIV>but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the
silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of
water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather
than making a </DIV>
<DIV>oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it.</DIV>
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<DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2">On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM,
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<DIV>Still building lights Hank,</DIV>
<DIV>have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision
&</DIV>
<DIV>hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's
going.</DIV>
<DIV>Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.</DIV>
<DIV>Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of</DIV>
<DIV>the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10</DIV>
<DIV>Alan</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via
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<DIV><SPAN>Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still
building lights?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the
seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor.
When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant
centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original
orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have
one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those
pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong
;-) Stay tuned for test results.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>How are you doing that Hank?</DIV>
<DIV>Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?</DIV>
<DIV>Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors</DIV>
<DIV>where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's
depth</DIV>
<DIV>rating.</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers Alan<BR><BR>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via
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<DIV><SPAN>Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil
filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for
Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water
out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will
make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my
house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know
then if my idea works.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir="ltr">I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for
compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to
harden and become brittle.</DIV>
<DIV dir="ltr">Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil
compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very
visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling
motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without
leaks.</DIV>
<DIV dir="ltr">Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually
worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air
compensation for a long time without problems.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir="ltr">It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small
bottle of air lasts for many dives.</DIV>
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a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="margin: 0px;"><SPAN style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: none;">On
motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="margin: 0px;"><SPAN style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: none;">Mineral
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I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as
flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's
non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable
however. </DIV>
<DIV>I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors.</DIV>
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<DIV>Brian</DIV>
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Vapor is may a problem with WD40. </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="margin: 0px;"><SPAN style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: none;">May
ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="margin: 0px;"><SPAN style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; text-decoration: none;">We
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<DIV>I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be
very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the
motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one
end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up
without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I
want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to
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