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<DIV>Alan,</DIV>
<DIV>That is really interesting.  I got the impression that the smallest 
package they sell is one surface unit with three under-water units.  
However that might be negotiable.</DIV>
<DIV>Jim</DIV>
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  <DIV>Jim,</DIV>
  <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>this is interesting, it's a diver tracking system 
  called diver 6.</DIV>
  <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>The video gives a good overview Not sure of the 
  price.</DIV>
  <DIV id=AppleMailSignature><A title=http://www.diver6.com/ 
  href="http://www.diver6.com/">http://www.diver6.com/</A></DIV>
  <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>Hope you get back on your project soon.</DIV>
  <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>Alan<BR><BR>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On 25/03/2017, at 2:41 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<A 
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    <DIV>That's quite interesting.  I haven't been familiar with acoustic 
    modems.  In addition to positioning, I can appreciate that they would 
    have greater range capabilities for communication than the other (but much 
    cheaper) technology that we have accessible as amateurs</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>I've had to pull way back from my focus on sub design and technology 
    for a good while.  By the time I return I'm hoping you guys will be 
    field testing Inertial Navigation Systems and have a couple of 
    different configurations to share info on.</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
    <DIV>Jim </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>In a message dated 3/24/2017 3:48:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <A 
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      <DIV>Jim,</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>just had a look in Sea Technology magazine 
      March edition, ( free online magazine)</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>& saw this...</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature><A 
      title=http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm 
      href="http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm">http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm</A></DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>It is a small module that tracks an underwater 
      vehicle, has GPS & communicates</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>to the vehicle via an onboard PC or whatever. 
      Haven't studied it, but I am sure</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>it could translate the underwater vehicles 
      position to maps on the vehicles PC.</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>These days you have GPS mapping apps on your 
      cel phone, so it wouldn't be too</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>hard. The next stage would be using the 
      position signal from the submarine to</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>control motors on the buoy to follow it. On 
      quad copters they have GPS & return</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>to start functions that return the quad copter 
      to it's launch position should it's</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>transmitter lose contact. So the sought of 
      technology to control the buoy thrusters</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>through position signals is alive & well 
      & cheap.</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>   I won't be pursuing it, as I need 
      to make my sub first :)</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>Alan</DIV>
      <DIV id=AppleMailSignature><BR><BR>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
      <DIV><BR>On 25/03/2017, at 6:53 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<A 
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        <DIV>Jim,</DIV>
        <DIV>yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I 
        have</DIV>
        <DIV>read about text type communication systems.</DIV>
        <DIV>Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy 
device.</DIV>
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        <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">An 
        underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic 
        positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy 
        system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can 
        track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea 
        surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but 
        can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in 
        certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a 
        short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, 
        which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped 
        with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of 
        positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar 
        and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater 
        GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped 
        with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of 
        the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any 
        waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly 
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        <DIV>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV>
        <DIV><BR>On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <<A 
        title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> 
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          <DIV><FONT size=3>Alan,</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3>Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where?  
          You didn't mean down to the sub, did you?</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV> </DIV>
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          <DIV>In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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            <DIV>Jim,</DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); 
            it would be possible to make a </DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>buoy with motors on it that tracked your 
            sub & transmitted GPS positions</DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that 
            controls their thruster to keep</DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>a boat steady on a certain 
            coordinate. </DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature>Alan</DIV>
            <DIV id=AppleMailSignature><BR>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
            <DIV><BR>On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<A 
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              <DIV><FONT size=3>Here's a link that gives quite a bit of 
              information including a reference to their Windows-based 
              software.  Once you open the link, the more you scroll down 
              the more you will see; it goes a long way! <A 
              title=http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf 
              href="http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf">http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf</A></FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT size=3>GPS is great as a starting point before you 
              submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface.  
              Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under 
              water.  In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on 
              a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub.  I don't 
              recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for 
              such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing 
              it.</FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT size=3>It would be really interesting to see how well 
              your INS position matches up with your GPS when you 
              resurface.  I like the idea of knowing just where you are 
              with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to 
              a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey 
              methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc.</FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT size=3>Jim T.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV> </DIV>
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              <DIV>In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight 
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                <DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via 
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                  <DIV>There needs to be an underwater GPS  
                !!</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I remember a discussion, long 
                ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast.  I don't recall any 
                resolution.<BR><BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR>
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