<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Emile</div><div> </div><div>Yes, agree standard rotating thrusters work very well.  I just find them difficult to maintain. </div><div> </div><div>Not sure what config to do on the new sub.  Probably static motors....</div><div> </div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 January 2017 at 19:06, emile via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="NL" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div class="m_-8299719852107505790WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi James,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Abandon the rotatable thrusters make a nice control pult wit joysticks possible. But the K350 arrangement has also advantages.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-You need at least 1  more thruster.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">- If one of your 3 thrusters fail is your sub still controllable. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Arrangement of the Drebbel is the same.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Br, Emile<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Van:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 30 januari 2017 18:19<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 plans<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Philippe.  <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I made a K350.  Main things I would change from the standard plans would be:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Forward Dome<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Enclosed saddle tanks mounted high on pressure hull instead of for\aft tanks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hatch mechanism changed to allow opening from outside.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hatch brackets strengthened.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">HP air mounted external.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Variable tank on sliding mounting.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Possibly change rotating thrusters to multiple static as these are a real pain.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">James<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 29 January 2017 at 18:18, Philippe Robert via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nice for the list ! I can't wait to read all the suggested modifications ans specs !<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Philippe<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2017-01-29 9:22 GMT-05:00 via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Emile, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I actually already started a list on what I want to improve on the K350!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I was actually thinking about having a 1 meter hull dia<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Improve depth rating to around 300 meters<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Look into improving the ballast tanks<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Have the thrusters be controlled by a joystick<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">-Ludwig<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">-----Original Message-----<br>From: emile via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 4:47 am<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 plans<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id="m_-8299719852107505790m_-4355820005112186705m_-9155551124067525372AOLMsgPart_1.2_d9b9db69-d8c2-452b-8c6c-1811e82bd95b"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Ludwig,</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The K350 is a nice sub and the plans might be a good start .</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Mind some points are a bit outdated.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">If I build a K350:</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-1 meter hull dia  (was 900mm)</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-improved ballast tanks </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-dome window in the bow</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Emile</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Van:</span></b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org?" target="_blank">mailto:personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 28 januari 2017 23:36<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 plans</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div id="m_-8299719852107505790m_-4355820005112186705m_-9155551124067525372AOLMsgPart_2_06b797ec-3713-4d1d-b8d9-aa5dd87b7f4e"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Hey guys, <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Who should I contact regarding the purchasing of the K-350 plans?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I bought the plans at the end of December and still haven't received them.  I also sent an email off to <a href="mailto:sales@psubs.org" target="_blank">sales@psubs.org</a> around two weeks ago and haven't gotten a reply.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Ludwig<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<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