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<DIV><FONT size=3>Jerry,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>You mentioned that you've made a lot of changes in your design
over the past few months as we all do. Of course that continues to
happen during the build phase as well. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Instead of beginning the build phase with the hull, I
think it makes good sense to first construct all systems and components and
install and test them on a full size mockup. It's almost inevitable that
the process of installing systems will cause you to modify the mockup hull, add
or move penetrations, etc. which is a heck of a lot easier to do than
modifying the real hull or having to accept limitations which could have been
avoided.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Another advantage is that once the hull is fabricated, it can
go directly to interior and exterior paint and corrosion proofing. Move
the systems to the hull and you're getting close to done.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/21/2016 6:42:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
personal_submersibles@psubs.org writes:</DIV>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4254 dir=ltr><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4253>hope you document it on the psubs
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4346 dir=ltr><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4348>Sorry about all my typo errors in the
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4347 dir=ltr><SPAN
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4392 dir=ltr><SPAN>Alan</SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Jerry Koontz via
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> personal submersibles
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>; personal submersibles-request
<personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:34
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue
81<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4229
class=y_msg_container><BR>Alan,<BR>The research that I have done indicates
that the Lithium Phosphate batteries do not have the thermal runaway<BR>that
other Lithium batteries do. Also they last for up to 3000 cycles where lead
acid batteries are much less, <BR>and that makes the cost lower. I am also
waiting to see what develops in the lithium batteries. <BR>Just completed
building a new poll shed for my build. Now I have to move my lathe and mill
into place. I have put in an <BR>overhead lift that runs the entire length of
the building. <BR>The first of my steel should be here in about two or three
weeks.<BR>Jerry<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "via
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1<BR>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:31:52 +0000 (UTC)<BR>From: Alan James via
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41,<BR> Issue 76<BR>Message-ID: <<A
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Jerry,there are lots of submersible
manufacturers using lithium batteries.Nuytco are now using them on there Deep
Worker 2000.I have a 48V 40ah lifepo4 battery pack for testing my thrusters
on.I am holding off from purchasing batteries for my sub build till the last
minute, as thereare promising developments with Lithium Sulphur batteries.
These have5 x the capacity of lithium iron batteries. Currently they don't
demonstrate enoughcharging cycles to be used for electric vehicles, but there
are $millions being pouredinto research on this problem by several large
players throughout the World.Alan?<BR><BR> From: Jerry
Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <<A
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<BR>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:14 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 76<BR> <BR>Hi all,<BR><BR>I
have been in the process of design for sub now for almost 9 months.<BR>I have
been reading all the e-mails that come across and have changed my design
<BR>many times over the course of the last months.<BR><BR>I am planning on
using Lithium Phosphate batteries for the power. Lower weight per unit,
physical size, and power cycles.<BR>Has anyone tried this yet? What do you all
think of this idea.<BR>Looking forward to seeing your opinions.<BR><BR>Jerry
Koontz<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "via
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1<BR>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:20:35 +0100<BR>From: emile via
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charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Welcome Ludwig,<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>Good point to make a
sgt.Peppers a little bigger. ?I rebfit it and dived with the sgt. Peppers. For
both is 560 mm a bit cramped. 650-700 mm hull dia would be fine. Easy to make
is capable for 300 ft.<BR><BR>Always good to look to K250 or other plans ?to
make a start.<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>Regards, Emile van Essen<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>Van:
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Namens via Personal_Submersibles<BR>Verzonden: maandag 21 november 2016
1:58<BR>Aan: <A title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org
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[PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible
project<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>Hello all, <BR><BR>?<BR><BR>I'm looking into building
a one person submersible next year but need some help getting started.
?<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>The plane is to build it around the size of the Sgt. Peppers
submersible but a little bigger. ?(I want it smaller than the K-250). ?Also
I'm looking at having a working depth at around 150-200 feet. ?Any suggestions
on where to get started? ?Should I by the plans for the K-250 and make it
smaller?<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>I don't know if it helps or not but I'm located in
Lawrence, Kansas. ?<BR><BR>?? ? ? ? ? ?(And I won't be the first person to
build a submersible in Kansas because it looks like that there's a man (Scott
Waters) from Salina, KS that built a k-350.)<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>If you guys have
any questions, I would be happy to answer those for
you.<BR><BR>?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Ludwig
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Submersible<BR>????????project<BR>Message-ID:<BR>????????<<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR><BR><BR>I know of an original VAST boat
someone is trying to sell out here on the East
Coast.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Get Outlook for
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>I think emile has a small ish boat
requiring refurbishment for sale?<BR>Probably worth the cost of shipping it
over the pond to not have to build<BR>from scratch.<BR><BR>On 21 November 2016
at 13:51, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <<BR><A
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wrote:<BR><BR>> I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell
out here on the<BR>> East Coast.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Get Outlook for
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>That really doesn't help me much because
I'm planning on moving across the pond in around two years!<BR><BR><BR>I'm
looking at a small project that would teach me all the systems so when I move
across the pond, I would like to build something along the Euronaut size or a
tiny bit smaller.<BR><BR><BR>I've also debated if I should do a wet-sub
instead because if I go that route, I wouldn't have to build a pressure hull.
?That would only limit me down to 130 foot allowed for recreational
diving.<BR><BR><BR>-Ludwig<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
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up a Submersible project<BR><BR><BR><BR>I think emile has a small ish boat
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the pond to not have to build from scratch.<BR><BR><BR>On 21 November 2016 at
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here on the East Coast.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Get Outlook for
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