<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3519"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3649"> Hank,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3604" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3603">Just checking but that seems a lot! You are only gaining in flotation the volume of the battery,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3648" dir="ltr"><span>not it's weight. </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3520"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3563" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3562" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3561" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3560" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3559" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3647"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:09 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3573"><br><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3572"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3571" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479124619404_5075" dir="ltr"><span>I am trying to reduce the submerged weight of the sub, by moving the batteries outside, I can reduce the weight of the sub by </span>approximately 30 lb per battery. With four batteries, that is 120 lbs of weight I shave off. That is significant to me-that means I can instal a 120 lb manipulator package without adding buoyancy.</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479124619404_5075" dir="ltr">A battery pod is a lot of work to build and would be quite heavy for a 3000 foot rating. </div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479124619404_5075" dir="ltr">Hank </div> <div class="yiv2592739808qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3656"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3570" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3569" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3568" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv2592739808yqt7600669584" id="yiv2592739808yqt88018"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3601" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:57 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2592739808y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3567"><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3566"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479154346872_3565" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2382"><span>Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2454"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2453">just did a quick calculation on a 12V 104 AH battery that is 350 L x 167 W x 179 H.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2652"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2651">It's volume is 10.4 liters The volume of a cylinder (battery pod) to enclose it would be</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2648" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2647">16.5 liters. However you would need a box that covers the battery terminal height, which</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2602" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2691">would increase the cubical battery housing volume to 13.4 liters.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2689" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2688">So you will be 2.1kg (4.62 pounds) heavier dry weight per 104 AH battery with a pod rather </span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2729" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2734">than a </span><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2726">compensated box. This is rough, there are other factors like the hemispherical</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2767" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2774">ends of the battery pods & material thickness.</span></div><div class="yiv2592739808qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2383">Cheers Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2495" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2494" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2493" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv2592739808yqt1014055947" id="yiv2592739808yqt36171"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2496" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2498" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2497"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 14, 2016 10:10 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv2592739808y_msg_container" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2492"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2604"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2603" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479071163783_6508"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479071163783_6509">"Hold on a year,",, are not words I use ;-) I will be onto my next sub by then lol. I have to get Elementary done this winter so I can get onto my next project.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479071163783_6508"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479071163783_6567">Hank</span></div> <div class="yiv2592739808qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2639"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2608" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2607" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2606" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv2592739808yqt5159618440" id="yiv2592739808yqt94274"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2605" dir="ltr"><font id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2638" face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:43 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2592739808y_msg_container" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2611"><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2610"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2609" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2392"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479091197575_2781">Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2410" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2430">hold on another year, help is on it's way!</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2428" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2427">Here is a lithium Sulphur battery they have trialed, that goes to 6km deep.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2429" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2436"><a id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2435" href="http://www.power-eetimes.com/news/high-performance-lithium-sulphur-batteries-deep-dive-underwater-vehicles-move-step-closer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.power-eetimes.com/news/high-performance-lithium-sulphur-batteries-deep-dive-underwater-vehicles-move-step-closer</a></span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2506">The problem they are having with developing Lithium Sulphur batteries for the automobile market,</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2538">is the number of charge cycles they can get out of them; however we don't take our</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2579" dir="ltr">submarines out every day, & the number of charge cycles is probably acceptable</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2664" dir="ltr">for a submersible application.</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2685" dir="ltr">I have read that the price in the future will be cheaper per kilowatt than a lead acid battery.</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2686" dir="ltr">Alan<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2467"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2352"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2407" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2406" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2405" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv2592739808yqt3455889459" id="yiv2592739808yqt93966"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2409" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2408" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2432"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 14, 2016 8:26 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv2592739808y_msg_container" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2404"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2403"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479069093039_2402" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3432"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3550">Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3492" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3493">if you tried to seal each battery individually, you would still have to</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3491" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3494">link the batteries in series. So this would mean sealing the 2 wires</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3545" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3544">coming out of each battery & sealing where they connect. That is</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3547" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3549">if I am </span><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3548">understanding what you want to do correctly.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3609" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3608">There is "Deep Sea Power & light's" Sea battery, that we have </span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3635" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3636">mentioned before, but this is a sealed lead acid battery.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3646" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3645">The busby book has a section on battery compensating.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3639" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3640">There are a lot of problems for not much benefit.</span></div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3668" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div class="yiv2592739808qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3436"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2592739808yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3478" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3477" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3476" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv2592739808yqt3155292281" id="yiv2592739808yqt49482"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3475" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3562" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3561"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 14, 2016 2:01 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv2592739808y_msg_container" id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3671"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2592739808"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3670"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3669" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479041151307_8503">Hi guys,</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479041151307_8503">I would like to switch Elementary from internal batteries to external batteries and flood them with oil. Has anyone tried to make a cap for the top of a battery with a rubber top to hold in oil. So instead of building a box around the battery, simply encapsulate the openings of the battery body. Again this is in an effort to keep the sub light.</div><div id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479041151307_8503">Hank</div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a id="yiv2592739808yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479064019683_3677" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2592739808yqt3155292281" id="yiv2592739808yqt57658">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2592739808yqt3455889459" id="yiv2592739808yqt63382">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2592739808yqt5159618440" id="yiv2592739808yqt87636">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2592739808yqt1014055947" id="yiv2592739808yqt79190">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt7600669584" id="yqt51697">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>