<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5903"><span>Steve,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5932"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6023">just had a look at your 2016 catalogue.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5933" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6022"><a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6021" href="http://www.tfmengineering.com.au/TFM_Engineering_Catalogue_2016-03.pdf">http://www.tfmengineering.com.au/TFM_Engineering_Catalogue_2016-03.pdf</a></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5931"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5930">Wow, you've got a lot of gear I haven't seen before.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6009"><span>Alan</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6050"><span></span> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6001"><span></span> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5958"><span></span> </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5904"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5908" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5907" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5906" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5905" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5913" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 31, 2016 4:53 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electronics contents gauge<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5912"><br><div id="yiv4951784664"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5911"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5910" dir="ltr"><div>Hi Alan</div><div>Yep, my pressure transmitter is suitable for oxygen (and is ranged 0-400bar).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6051"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_5909">A SCUBA reg HP port usually has an orifice built-in to restrict flow in the event of hose failure. But with even 100bar behind it, the tank will still empty in a matter of minutes - pretty significant. Having the prolonged restriction of a long skinny tube will help a bit, but a total failure would still put out a lot of gas.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Steve</div></div><div class="yiv4951784664gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6056"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv4951784664gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6055">On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv4951784664gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6054" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv4951784664yqt9915302125" id="yiv4951784664yqt72169"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6053"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477944393544_6052" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3883"><span>Thanks Emile & Steve.</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3998"><span>I may combine both suggestions.</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4000"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3999">I am wanting to put my penetrations through a removeable plate</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4030" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4029">a la Deep Worker. It will be behind me in my 1 person submersible;</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4066" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4103">so a pressure transmitter with wires coming from it rather than a gauge</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4072" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4073">looks like the right option.</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4102" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4101">I like the idea of the 1/8th tube. I couldn't find a flow rate anywhere</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4199" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4198">for a 1st stage hp port. May have to flow it in to a plastic bag & get an</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4185" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4186">estimate, to see if a failure would be an issue anyway.</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4184" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4197"> Steve, are those pressure transmitters suitable for oxygen?</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4217" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4230">Cheers Alan</span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4047" dir="ltr"><span></span> </div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3885"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yahoo_quoted" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3947" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3946" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3945" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3944" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3943" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4067"> <b id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4069"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4068" style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4071"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4070" style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 31, 2016 12:34 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electronics contents gauge<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885y_msg_container" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3948"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3951"><span></span><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3950" dir="ltr"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4025">Hi Alan,</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4024">I have pressure transmitters (similar to many commonly used in industry) that could probably be adapted for that - see attached photos. You could replace the end section with a small penetrator/cable gland plate. It needs a power supply of 6-30VDC and outputs 0.5-4.5V or 4-20mA (both linear). They are NPT so you'd need an adaptor for the SCUBA HP port - but a 1/4" Swagelok thread will fit.</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4235"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4168">I imagine you're worried about leaks of HP inside, and maybe cost as well. Something you may not have thought of is running 1/8" SS tube. It's soft enough to bend by hand (more like stiff solid-core electrical cable than 1/4" tube) and can be run in a bundle with cables. Also available in very small inside diameters so flow is greatly restricted. I've had good success using it for remote gauge lines.</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4206"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4149">I also have digital HP oxygen pressure gauges if you ever need one of those :).</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4172"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3949">Shoot me an email at <a id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4173" href="mailto:Stephen.fordyce@tfmengineering.com.au" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Stephen.fordyce@tfmengineering.com.au">Stephen.fordyce@ tfmengineering.com.au</a> if you're interested in one - list price is AU$198.</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3952"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3953">Cheers,</div><div>Steve</div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4164">(TFM Engineering Australia)</div></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004gmail_extra" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3954"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004gmail_quote" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3959"><span>On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 7:19 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004gmail_quote" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3958" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004yqt6397216203" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004yqt79655"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3957" lang="NL"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023WordSection1" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3956"><span></span><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3962"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4236" lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The scuba pressure sensors are wireless. Most scuba divers don’t want it as it is unreliable.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3955"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3961"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_3960" lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best would be to screw a industrial pressure sensor (with ¼ “thread or so) into the penetrator plate and attach a HP line on the outside.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4163"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4161"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4162" lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Br, Emile<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4153"><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4152" style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4151"><b><span>Van:</span></b><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4150"> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">personal_submersibles- bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<span><br clear="none"><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 30 oktober 2016 21:02<br clear="none"><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Onderwerp:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electronics contents gauge<u></u><u></u></span></span></div></div></div><span></span><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4157"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004h5" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4156"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4155"><div><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Is there a suitable electronic scuba tank contents gauge out there?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3670"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">I am after something that plugs in to the high pressure port of the<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3669"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">1st stage regulator & has wires off it that I can run through a through<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3668"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">hull so I can display the tank contents pressure on a screen.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3667"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4238" style="background: white;"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4237" style="color: black;">Trying to avoid bringing high pressure in to the hull.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3641"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">An alternative may be to run a high pressure line to a through<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3642"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4159" style="background: white;"><span id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4158" style="color: black;">hull & have an electronic pressure gauge threaded in to this from the <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3666"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">inside of the hull. However with the second method, I wouldn't have<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3707"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">a shut off valve if the pressure gauge failed some how.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3706"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;">Alan<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004m_-5302561528609100023yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477856450518_3665"><div class="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yiv1914004004MsoNormal" id="yiv4951784664m_-1543851585208408885yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477869252690_4154" style="background: white;"><span style="color: black;"><br clear="none"> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span><br clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">
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