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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Consider a triple axle trailer. I have one now and the ground pressure is so reduced that it can drive on sand and gras.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe you can bolt on a extra axle under the existing trailer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A truck with crane is top of the bill off coarse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Emile<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>Namens </b>James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 17 oktober 2016 12:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub launch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hank\Alan. I am keeping a close eye on how you get on with this. Launching is still my biggest issue. I want to be able to get my boat off a trailer onto the beach and of course, back on. I have some really good bays here that I cant get into as there is no suitable slipway, but I can get onto the sand. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My ultimate solution is a standard skip truck. Ive measured up a normal truck and it would work. But its an expensive way of doing it and I don't have anywhere to put the truck.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=444 height=289 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D2288B.2ED4F840"><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 17 October 2016 at 11:11, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div id="m_-5959947600606285610yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476698129806_5312"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The sub trailer I am using is a long boat trailer that had a jet ski lift on it. The lift consisted of two A frames with two racks for the jet skis to sit on. The A frames pivoted all the way back into the water, then the jet skis floated into the racks. The A frames then lifted the jet ski's up above the boat, then you float the boat onto the trailer. It was like a double decker trailer. Jet skis must weigh 400 lbs or so? that means it can lift 800 lbs. I would no expect to lift any more than an 800 lb load with the A frame when lifting the sub. Remember the sub is in the water so there is not a lot of weight there to lift an inch or two. No need for counter weight because the load is not extending far beyond the end of the trailer and the trailer is about 28 feet long. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-5959947600606285610yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476698129806_5312"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan might be onto a better idea though, a simple manual beavertail to deflect the sub onto a roller may be simpler idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-5959947600606285610yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476698129806_5312"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:01 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div id="m_-5959947600606285610yiv5510338599"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Lifting a sub of even modest weight off of a trailer using a rotating A frame will require a rather large counter weight on the tongue. I wouldn't trust the hitch alone to hold back that much torque in the wrong direction. I think a simpler solution would be to just attach large wheels to the sub ala Simon Lake's Argonaut. Then any standard twin axle car trailer with a winch would work for sub duty. This would probably be a good system for someone who owns multiple subs. No need to build (or register and insure) a custom trailer for every sub you build. Three large wheels on the sub could be locked for transport easier than dozens of rollers. You would still have trouble with launches from gently sloping,shallow, muddy shores though since the wheels might bog down. You'd have a hard time launching a sub using any method in those conditions though.</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-River J. Dolfi<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>412-997-2526<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:rdolfi7@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdolfi7@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:rwd5301@psu.edu" target="_blank">rwd5301@psu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>