<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>An extension pole won't help because the lake is not deep enough for the sub on the trailer for 100 feet. I think the A frame or beavertail with rollers will be good. The trailer already has a hydraulic A frame, just have to put it back on.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, October 17, 2016 1:13 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9587615262"><div><div>Hank,</div><div>after more thought, maybe the cheapest easiest way would be to have a</div><div>telescopic extension tube between the truck & trailer. Like the traditional</div><div>method but a lot longer. It would be easy to make; just 3 tubes of varying</div><div>diameters, with holes for bolts to go through to lock in place. One problem </div><div>would be lifting it in to place with the added weight. You would</div><div>also then need a small tender to get to your sub. Of course there </div><div>could be the odd problem of drop offs at the end of the boat ramp!</div><div>Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="yiv9587615262yqt0136213775" id="yiv9587615262yqt47933"><div><br clear="none">On 17/10/2016, at 11:26 pm, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div><span>Tim,</span></div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476699339610_4485"><span id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476699339610_4484">Rollers under the skids is ideal. Problem is I don't have skids. Gamma does have a nice raked bumper that is intended to protect the dome when the sub comes up to the trailer and to deflect the sub onto the trailer. some times when I launch the sub the water is not deep enough and I can just lift the sub and slide it off by hand. In a case like that, the hand winch can pull the sub onto the trailer by sliding the sub on the raked bumper. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476699339610_4483"><span id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476699339610_4482">I kept all the hydraulic lift stuff from the trailer, so I have a couple options. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476699339610_4481">Hank</div> <div class="yiv9587615262qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9587615262yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:38 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv9587615262y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9587615262"><style>#yiv9587615262 --
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#yiv9587615262 </style><div><div class="yiv9587615262WordSection1"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hank,</span></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">If the sub will be float clear of the bottom within reach of an A-frame crane on the trailer, would a double beavertail (photo) work for you instead of the crane? A double, or triple, beavertail may be sufficient to roll the sub off into sufficiently deep water. Rather than rollers on the trailer, perhaps rollers on the sub's skids that would then match up with gutter tracks on the beavertail and trailer bed? At least one psub out there has rollers on its skids. The skids should also have a ski-tip on each end to allow the winch to drag the sub through the mud-sand substrate to launch and recover.</span></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Tim</span></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv9587615262yqt9459806329" id="yiv9587615262yqt78592"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:42 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub launch</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">My floating launch cart was better on paper than in the water lol. I don't like the idea of temporary lift from bags, I think it will tip over.</span> <span style="font-size:9.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">I am thinking about a drop down beavertail, and hydraulic driven rollers. I am sure there will be a new idea tomorrow.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Hank</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:05 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div id="yiv9587615262"><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Yes, you don't want it coming off the trailer & sitting in the mud.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">What happened to your floating trailer idea? Or can you fit air bags low down</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">on the sub, just to aid buoyancy for tricky launching.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> Ok here's another idea that you are well capable of implementing..... you</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">have a floating trailer with pontoons down either side & twin outboards on the</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">end of the pontoons. You drive your trailer in far enough to get the props under,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">then use outboard power to pull the trailer out till it's floating then use it as a tender </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">to get to your dive spot.!</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yqt94526"><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""><br clear="none">On 17/10/2016, at 9:16 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Alan, </span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476648596778_3558"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">That would work if the sub had a raked front end or the trailer had a beavertail. Not a bad solution indeed, the trailer would need full rollers for the sub to roll off. Gamma has a raked guard now, hmmmm you got me thinking, might be less work. I am not in love with the sub sitting on rollers though. </span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476648596778_3556"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">The lake has not enough depth at the end of the ramp or further out. The sub could cruise out but it would be close to hitting bottom. </span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476648596778_3556"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Hank</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:30 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div id="yiv9587615262"><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Just googled this idea for a shallow launch & wondered if a more</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">beefed up version would help. ( 2 parts to the video)</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=47y0KNSvUgs">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=47y0KNSvUgs</a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Alan</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yqt44732"><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""><br clear="none">On 17/10/2016, at 6:28 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476638766478_5773"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">There is a real nice lake 20 minutes from home that I can't get in, (Columbia Lake) yes the start of the mighty Columbia river. The A frame will allow me to dive there.</span></div></div><div id="yiv9587615262yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476638766478_5773"><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Hank</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:22 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div id="yiv9587615262"><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Interesting idea ! <br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub launch<br clear="none">Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:18:43 +0000 (UTC)</span></div><div id="yiv9587615262yqt67216"><div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Hi all,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">I have been pondering the age old problem of launching in shallow water. I am making new fibreglass MBT's for Gamma in a few weeks or so, I will increase the diameter to give me more free board. The steel tanks are a bit to heavy and could use more volume. Also the thruster tubes will be vectored in the new tanks.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">But that will only help with launching in shallow water a bit. I am thinking that typically the water is deep enough for the sub alone without the trailer. So my plan is to install an A frame on the trailer that can lift the sub when it is backed into the water. The sub is light at this point, so lifting it off the trailer is easy and then the A frame tilts back dragging the sub off the trailer. To load the sub, just drive it up to the back of the trailer and hook the cable to the lifting eye, then tilt the A frame forward, it lifts the sub and drags it onto the trailer. I figure I will need a roller on the end of the trailer to help the sub slide ahead.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Easy Peezy</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Hank</span></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv9587615262MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list <span class="yiv9587615262MsoHyperlink"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a> </span></div></div></div></div><div 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