<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>It's not that they don't work underwater, it's just that if spinning up or down takes too long it's sub-optimal from a piloting perspective.</div><div><br>On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Thanks Alec,</div><div>didn't know that product existed. I found this video on an skf sleeve</div><div>that is a good demonstration of how they are fitted.</div><div>Be good to hear from Emile about his Protruar thruster. I don't know why </div><div>it wasn't working well under the water, as he doesn't go that deep on</div><div>his tourist dives.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 4/10/2016, at 12:56 pm, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Alan,<div><br></div><div>Parker sells some little metal sleeves that stretch onto the shaft and are ground to the ideal finish for lip seals. It's a really easy way to meet the surface finish requirement, and they're super cheap too. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hank,</div><div>yes I like the idea of going straight to the penetrator with the clear tube attaching</div><div>on to a barbed fitting. I want to put a 4psi overpressure in the system & are</div><div>intending to do this with compressed air; so need to tee in an air line. I also</div><div>need an oil filling point, however the air connection point could double for this.</div><div>I like the clear tube as it is a visual indication of the oil level.</div><div>I have 2 lip seals at the moment. Hugh wasn't too impressed with that idea</div><div>& thought I should go with a mechanical seal. From what I have read, the shaft</div><div>the lip seal runs on needs to be plunge ground to a certain finish, & a mechanical</div><div>seal would eliminate that precision process.</div><div>Also I look at what other large manufacturers have done & figure they have</div><div>done the research on seals & have the experience.</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 4/10/2016, at 12:37 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div><span>You can make up a pretty simple penetrator for the wires, or why not leave the wires the way they are in the clear tube and run the tube to a penetrator on the sub that is made from a barbed fitting. The clear tube can be oil filled and act as your compensator. I know you already though of this. I think the DW's work like that.</span></div><div>If you are oil filled, why the mechanical seal. Just go with a higher pressure rated lip seal.</div><div>Hank</div> <div class="m_4816055154848224434qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_4816055154848224434yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, October 3, 2016 3:40 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="m_4816055154848224434y_msg_container"><div id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228"><div><div>Hi Hank, thanks.</div><div>yes am intending on getting that type of seal, but I will try & get some advice</div><div>on an appropriate seal for the viscosity & type of oil I am using (Morlina S2 Bl 10).</div><div>Must be a bit barmy because I was getting quite excited about the new </div><div>compensating oil I bought. </div><div>I haven't quite decided how I am going to terminate the wires coming out of the </div><div>motor. At present I have the wires running through a clear hose up to a manifold.</div><div>I say manifold but it is a modified brass T plumbing fitting. The hose is hose clamped</div><div>to one end & the wires are silicone sealed coming out the other end. On the T I have</div><div>a plug that I can remove to fill the tube & thruster with oil. This is okay for experimental</div><div>purposes but will need to add pressure to the system & a through hull fitting</div><div>when I mount it on the sub.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yqt3544435197" id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yqt30743"><div><br clear="none">On 3/10/2016, at 9:28 pm, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475458034925_22070"><span>Alan,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475458034925_22069"><span id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475458034925_22068">That is great! well done.. What type of mechanical seal will you use? Are you planning a spring loaded pump seal? </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475458034925_22069"><span>Hank </span></div> <div class="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, October 3, 2016 2:07 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="m_4816055154848224434yiv6341374228y_msg_container">Just did a pool test of my latest brushless thruster.<br clear="none">This thruster uses a 60kv (revs per Volt) 6374 (dimensions in mm) brushless<br clear="none">sensored outrunner motor. The propeller was a 3 bladed 7&1/4" x 4" with no kort nozzle.<br clear="none">I was getting 30kg (66lb) thrust from 30 amps off 52 volts (1560W) with the thruster<br clear="none">oil filled. This seems comparable to what Cliff was getting from his Minnkota 101.<br clear="none">The difference is this is a much smaller unit. I have been keeping a file on<br clear="none">performance statistics of commercial thrusters & trolling motors & this is slightly <br clear="none">above average.<br clear="none">The manufacturer told me not to run the motor more than 40 amps continuosly,<br clear="none">so I am being conservative with the 30 amp draw. I could bump it up by putting<br clear="none">on a bigger prop.<br clear="none">Next step is to use it as a boat motor & notch up 100 or so hours, then build<br clear="none">another housing with a mechanical seal.<br clear="none">Added a couple of photos to the project page, but they loaded upside down for<br clear="none">some reason. 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