<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474145549029_3076"><span>Hi Brian,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474145549029_3076" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474145549029_3807">If you are putting this idea to a vote, my vote is no. For one you are over complicating a uncomplicated feature. If you want to drop weight in increments then you can make that system mechanical just as easy. You could argue that with magnets, the sub would surface if you were </span>unconscious. If that is your reasoning then it may be practical. I have learned that less is better in a psub and that goes for all the crap we carry around. Heck I carry enough stuff to run away from home and rebuild a small block chevy. ;-)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474145549029_3076" dir="ltr">Hank</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:30 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1503408081"><div><div>Brian,</div><div>We discussed this a few years back, & I can remember Vance making </div><div>some negative comments about the system, saying that on the slightest</div><div>interruption to the power the ballast would drop.</div><div>It may be that because the subs mentioned, are going so deep,</div><div>there are very few other alternatives.</div><div>I have a stack of magnets for fire safety doors, that keep doors open</div><div>& release them to close in event of fire. They don't seem to draw much</div><div>in the way of amps, from memory.</div><div>Of course you would have to epoxy them or something, & they would loose</div><div>a bit of power with the bigger gap caused by the insulation.</div><div>You would need a manual system to hold them in while transporting &</div><div>when the power was off for storage. </div><div>A big plus would be the instantaneous response in an emergency, but</div><div>you could get that other ways.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="yiv1503408081yqt1275769698" id="yiv1503408081yqtfd87992"><br clear="none">On 18/09/2016, at 7:59 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv1503408081yqt1275769698" id="yiv1503408081yqtfd91968"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>I wonder how many watts those electromagnets take? I could do some tests to see what it would take to hold back the pressure of the shot.</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design<br clear="none">Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:12:10 -0400<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"></font><div>Oops, that would be Nautile, the French sub.
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<div><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3">The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a valve.
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<div dir="ltr">Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe).
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If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf<br clear="none">
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hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref<br clear="none">
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