<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2738"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2737">That looks good James, & a good price!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2792"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2798">Don't know about it going under the water though!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2922"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2921">Unless you were intending to attach it to the top of a buoy.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2891"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2890">I have a friend that repairs fishing reels for a living & it</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2855" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2889">is amazing how water resistant they aren't. Basically if you drop them</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2854" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2892">in salt water, they need overhauling.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2848" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2847">The trout reels are very simple though, & you are more likely to get away </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2856" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2893">with submersing them. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2908" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2907">I didn't see how much line they held!</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2853" dir="ltr"><span></span><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2685"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2756" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2755" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2754" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2761" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2910" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2909"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:54 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2753"><br><div id="yiv2104850051"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2752"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2751" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2760">Blimey. "Doppler indicator wireless remote robot bouy! " I was thinking something simple! I'll stick with dragging the dog around, I need it for Sat. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2783"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2757">Seriously though, I did find this which might be ok. <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2758" href="http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/pflueger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/pflueger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2759"><span></span> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2750"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2749">There are also "yo yo" reels you can get. But they don't look like they are very long. Its a start. I can see something having to be made. I have a friend who is a proper clockmaker. He will know about the springs. I'll ask him.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Regards</span></div><div><span>James</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2936"><span></span> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2937"><span></span> </div><div><span></span> </div></div><div class="yiv2104850051gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2942"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2104850051gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2941">On 14 September 2016 at 07:41, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2104850051gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2940" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv2104850051yqt0635642183" id="yiv2104850051yqt69406"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2939"><div>That could still be done Brian.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2938">The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you</div><div>sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the direction of</div><div>the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver continually</div><div>& records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then drives</div><div>in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as well have</div><div>a support boat doing that.</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2944"><div class="yiv2104850051h5" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2943"><div><br clear="none">On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2948" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2947"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2946" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Alan,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2945"> I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing how accurate these fish finders are these days !</div><div> </div><div>Brian <br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2954" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2953"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2952"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2951" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Brian,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>tension on the line & have the line running through a ring,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2950" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2949">line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>off the ring. </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500-</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>in parts to do it, plus a lot of time.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2966"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2965" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2964" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2963"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel<br clear="none"> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2962"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2961"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2960"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2959" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two ? Sonar ?</div><div> </div><div>Brian <br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel<br clear="none">Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2958"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2957" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>James,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2956" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2955"> I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from about </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's thread</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbine</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a large</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>enough float pull it out. </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force from</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>drag to consider.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanism</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Let us know how you get on.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2967" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2972" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2971" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2970" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2969" dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2968" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel<br clear="none"> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2976"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2975"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2974" dir="ltr"><div>Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2973"> </div><div>I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads. So it will auto wind up and down. </div><div> </div><div>Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything.</div><div> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2977">I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one.</div><div> </div><div>Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed.</div><div> </div><div>Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber?</div><div> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473844403876_2978">any thoughts?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">regards</div><div>James</div></div></div><br clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div>______________________________ _________________
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