<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4023"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4022">Now there's a good thought Tim,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4014" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4013">a caravan / boat / underwater habitat / ambient submarine combo!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4016" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4015">If the authorities won't let you camp or moor, then just go underwater.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4064" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_3936"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4021" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4020" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4019" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4018" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4017" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 9, 2016 3:54 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4054"><br><div id="yiv8383470690"><style>#yiv8383470690 #yiv8383470690 --
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#yiv8383470690 </style><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4053"><div class="yiv8383470690WordSection1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4052"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Alan,</span></div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Good question. Shelley enjoyed our stay in JUL and MarineLab, and is okay with mine happening later. In the meantime the mock up makes a good camper unit.</span></div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span></div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4065"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8383470690yqt0803786718" id="yiv8383470690yqt85069"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4051"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4050" style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-image: none;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4049"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4048" lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4047">Sent:</b> Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:49 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4068"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3662"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4067" style="background: white;"><span>Hi Tim,</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3664"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>I am possibly the inventor of that "turn the sub upside down &</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3734"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>fill with water" analogy. I know I have posted it a few times</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3648"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>over the years.</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3654"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>The only problem with all this is what your wife is going to say when</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3647"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>she finds a large lpg tank in her backyard! </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>Alan</span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3732"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3721"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3592"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4074" style="background: white; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3560"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3559"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3558"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3557"><div align="center" class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span><hr width="100%" size="1" align="center"></div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:08 PM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3703"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div><div id="yiv8383470690"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3702"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3701"><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Alan,</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3700"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water. The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater. You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat.</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473319098343_3754"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient. The Scott Carpenter is the example of note. Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks.</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4077"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4076" style="background: white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4075" style="font-size: 11pt;">Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me. And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease.</span><span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4079"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4078" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4084"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4083" style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-image: none;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4082"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4081" style="background: white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4080" lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4089"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>Tim, </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>You could possibly pick one up very cheaply.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>pressure to one point in the water column.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psi</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it out</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>it is 360 pounds per square ft. </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position</span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4088"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4087"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4086" style="background: white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4085">& relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, but</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>Alan</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span><br clear="none">On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4094" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4093"><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Hank,</span><span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere.</span><span></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4092"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4091" style="background: white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4090" style="font-size: 11pt;">The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed.</span><span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span><span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span></span></div></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-image: none;"><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4098"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Hi Tim,</span><span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473162806763_18689"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4097"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4096" style="background: white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4095" style="font-size: 9pt;">How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. </span><span></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473162806763_18689"><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Hank</span><span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;"> </span><span></span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4109"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4108"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4107"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span> </span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4106"><div id="yiv8383470690"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4105"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4104"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yqt21368"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4103"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4102"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4101" style="background: white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4100" lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4099">Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4112"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4111"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4110" style="background: white;"><span> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span>Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4119"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4122" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4121" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4120" style="background: white;"><span>Vance</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4118"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4117" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4116"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4115" style="background: white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4114" style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473397890941_4113" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690AOLMsgPart_1.2_185f9df1-66f8-4a05-af8a-b19553fec7c8"><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Nearly nothing. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">We do have a psub member in S.A.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Alan</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none">On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Alan,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-image: none;"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <strong><span>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><strong><span>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM<br clear="none"><strong><span>To:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><strong><span>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Tim,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ebay didn't look dive ready. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none">On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Good find, Alan.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Tim</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-image: none;"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <strong><span>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><strong><span>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM<br clear="none"><strong><span>To:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><strong><span>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3100"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3102"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html</a></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3225"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3224"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">to scratch. 8 view ports to replace?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3223"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Alan</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3112"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3147"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3148"><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3049"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3048"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3047"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3046"><div align="center" class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white; text-align: center;"><span></span><hr width="100%" size="1" align="center"></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><strong><span>To:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><strong><span>Sent:</span></strong> Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM<br clear="none"><strong id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3173"><span>Subject:</span></strong> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3050"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3052"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3051"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3017"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Hello All,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3017"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3017"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Hank</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3119"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3262"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3261"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3260"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3259"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx <<a href="mailto:mp13@live.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mp13@live.ca">mp13@live.ca</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3265"><div id="yiv8383470690"><div id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473035299510_3264"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr</a> <br clear="none"><image001.jpg></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><div class="yiv8383470690MsoNormal" style="background: white;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3174" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a id="yiv8383470690yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473037443640_3175" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><span style="color: black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; 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