<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Hi James,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471083648295_3039"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471083648295_3040">Look forward to a report and video</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471083648295_3039"><span>Good Luck!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471083648295_3039"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:43 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3971203518"><div>Thanks Carsten. Interesting idea. <div>I am diving today and there is one of those inflatable pontoon things on a mooring at the harbour. I'll try and get a picture if I remember.</div><div>Regards,</div><div>James<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Friday, 12 August 2016, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><div class="yiv3971203518yqt8712989237" id="yiv3971203518yqt08694"><blockquote class="yiv3971203518gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><span>Thank's Carsten,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>maybe a variation on that with separate rear pontoons that can</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>be inflated for boat ramp launching & deflated for on water dispatch</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>would be good. That worked for the wet sub but the whole inflatable</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>would have to sink to lift up a K250.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:33 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"> </div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">Last picture. I have also a towing video of 17MB were they run the sub with over 20 knots on the zodiac. vbr Carsten<br clear="none"></span></div>
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<div><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="">From:</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style=""> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">personal_submersibles- bounces@psubs.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:39 PM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat</span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Prohibited weapons aside, yes I like the idea of going the zodiac route for these reasons: cheap, simple and big bumper. Just not sure how well it would work with a tall/tankish design like Snoopy's. </span></div>
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<div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:black;">Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:55:23 -0600 (MDT)<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"> I was just reading the news article about the terrorist they shot yesterday in Strathroy... It seems they caught him one already and released him on a peace bond - one of the conditions of which was that he had to surrender any firearms and prohibited weapons.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">----- Original Message -----<br clear="none">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT)<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat</span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">On 10 August 2016 at 11:47, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">I was trying to describe this in an earlier post. </span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Thanks for the history Vance, did not know. ~ Doug S. </span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:25 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">I sent a response via phone and haven't seen it. To repeat: I do have some of George's original drawings on his tender. Web's was a takeoff on that design and not terribly successful due to poor load carrying capacity and so on. It worked, but was pretty restricted in what it could do. George's was better, hands down. 44' long as I recall. It started life with China diesels which were achingly slow, and ended up with a couple of junkyard 250 cid Chevy in-line 6 truck engines that worked very well. And were cheap, which was an important consideration for ANY consideration for the Captain. </span></div>
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<div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: personal_submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:13 pm<br clear="none">Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat</span></div>
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<div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Did Maynard ever produce/release plans for his sub carrier, Tender Nellie? I never saw it in person, but pictures lives on the net.</span></div>
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