<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469110001212_7503"><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469110001212_7502" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469110001212_7501">Any plunger type valve is susceptible to failure from debris. A ball valve rotating eliminates that. But, as you say a filter would do the job also. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469110001212_7502" dir="ltr"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:01 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6598998651"><div><div>Hank,</div><div>I am pretty sure that putting some sort of filter on both sides of the ballast</div><div>valves is a Germanic Lloyds requirement. It makes sense as when you </div><div>release air, anything floating in your ballast tank would get funnelled up</div><div>toward the valve. </div><div>Alan <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="yiv6598998651yqt9502987599" id="yiv6598998651yqt55441"><div><br clear="none">On 22/07/2016, at 12:03 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469102064573_4511"><span>Don't you just hate that! </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469102064573_4507"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469102064573_4506">I have to back pedal a bit about solenoid valves also. They do work fantastic, no doubt about it, but you threw a little scare into me that stuck with me. You mentioned putting a filter in to protect the seat. You have a very good point there, those valves could easily get obstructed by debris. On my last dive I noticed how much crap gets blown around them. I am actually planning to replace them with ball valves.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469102064573_4507"><span>Good luck with the motor</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469102064573_4507"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="yiv6598998651qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6598998651yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:45 AM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv6598998651y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6598998651"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6248"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6247">Thanks for the update Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6246"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6245">look forward to any videos you take.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6244"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6243">I have had to be a bit patient also. I burnt the motor out on my lathe</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6258"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6276">about 2 Months ago possibly due to it's fan spinning loose & it overheating.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6305"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6304">They told me a replacement motor was coming in 1 week. 6 weeks later it turned up.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6351"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6350">There were 2 tabs across the terminals that weren't on the original motor.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6349"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6348">I queried this with the agent, who contacted China for an answer.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6354"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6353">Leave them on & wire up the same. So I did & "bang" tripped the circuit breaker on the</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6363"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6364">lathe as well as on the house. Now after further communication to China I get "No, take</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6389"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6388">the tabs off & it will be OK". I am not confident come tomorrow I will have a working lathe.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6423"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6422">So brushless motor housing, light housing & solenoid operated ballast valve projects</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6445"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6444">have been on hold.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6443"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6442">Cheers Alan</span></div><div class="yiv6598998651qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6224"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6598998651yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6192" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6191" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6190" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6598998651yqt2563215249" id="yiv6598998651yqt33470"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6189"> <font id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6188" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6187" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:22 AM<br clear="none"> <b id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6242"><span id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6241" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] patience pays<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv6598998651y_msg_container" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6198"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv6598998651"><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6197"><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469085857124_6196" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659">After three days of sanding buffing and polishing the conical seat, I have the port fitted. The window frame warped a wee bit from welding even though it is 3 inches thick. I had the port bedded with approximately .020 in of high compression resin, but was not comfortable with that. Now the port sits on the steel seat directly. My port is .125 inches to thick so I will machine that off as soon as I have the hatch out of the lathe.</div><div id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659">I have the hatch in the lathe to machine a temporary attachment that will hold the hatch true on the land while it rotates with lapping compound between the land and hatch. I will rotate the hatch with a hydraulic flange facing machine. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659">I have postponed my deep test of Gamma so that i can test Elementary 3,000 occupant sphere to 980 feet at the same time as testing Gamma. It is a big effort to get my barge to the lake for testing, so I can test both subs with one barge move. The barge is on the trailer ready to go and Gamma is also on her trailer ready to go. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6598998651yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469045384082_2659">Hank</div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6598998651yqt2563215249" id="yiv6598998651yqt87827">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div><br><div class="yqt9502987599" id="yqt73138">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>