<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3912"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3911">Hi Kamil,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3913" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3960">here are the rules of DNVGL (formerly) Germanic Lloyds.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3955" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3959"><a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3973" href="https://rules.dnvgl.com/ServiceDocuments/dnvgl/#!/industry/1/Maritime/5/DNV%20GL%20rules%20for%20classification:%20Underwater%20technology%20(RU-UWT)">https://rules.dnvgl.com/ServiceDocuments/dnvgl/#!/industry/1/Maritime/5/DNV%20GL%20rules%20for%20classification:%20Underwater%20technology%20(RU-UWT)</a></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3970" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3971">These rules have been recently updated.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4071" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4070">DNVL is the World's biggest certifier of submarines & is based in Hamburg.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4143" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4393">It would probably cost you US $80 - $100,000 to go through the certification process.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4097" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4039">Then there is the ongoing costs of yearly inspections, with a major inspection after 5 years.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4178" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4191">Only useful if you are using a submarine commercially, a lot of their guidelines can be used</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4159" dir="ltr"><span>without paying $100,000.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4098" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4087">Carsten, who is in Rostock Germany, was offering a certification process under Swiss Lloyds.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4119" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4121">This was aimed toward amateur builders & offers an economical process.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4208" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4207">The DNVL process is that you go in to a contract, & they give you technical advice for design.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4210" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4209">Designs for the various parts (hull, electrical, ballasting, stability, life support) are submitted for approval.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4266" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4293">It costs about US30,000 to get to design approval. Then they visit your factory to see if it is up to standard</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4267" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4287">& visit at various stages. They want to know the composition of every nut & bolt you use, where they came from</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4295" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4294">& whether the factory that made them had certification. They want to know who you have doing any of the work</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4348" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4347">and what their qualifications are. I won't give more detail, as will be typing all </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4355">day, but it ends in the final dive test.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4354" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4366">If you want to know any more ask. I think I have a brief summary of the rules somewhere.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4403" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4160" dir="ltr"><span></span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4120" dir="ltr"><span></span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4099" dir="ltr"><span></span><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3936" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3935" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3934" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3958" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3957" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_4024"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Kamil Żebrowski via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:31 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468961163513_3933"><br><div id="yiv8832367800"><div dir="ltr">Anyone know how that inspection looks like from Lloyds? It is made after sub is made or during production?</div><div class="yiv8832367800gmail_extra"><br><div class="yiv8832367800gmail_quote">2016-07-18 11:09 GMT+02:00 Kamil Żebrowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zebros512@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:zebros512@gmail.com">zebros512@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="yiv8832367800gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">Ok, then I need look at polish regulations in term of sub. It is possible that it will be first registered. Also need to check all things with certification. I didn't think about commercial use but maybe in the future, who knows</div>
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