<div dir="ltr">While I can not speak with specificity to regulations in countries other than the United States, here a personal submersible needs to be registered just like any other private watercraft (with the notable exceptions being non-powered [bells] or human-powered subs). I'd imagine that the laws are similar in many other countries though - as soon as a vessel is mechanically powered it has to be registered. <div><br></div><div>As far as certification, the K-350 design is certified by both Lloyds and Nippon, But most sub owners don't worry about becoming certified because of the costs involved with testing/inspection. An actual certification is only "valuable" when you plan to put the sub to work commercially (at least that's my understanding - it's a pretty costly procedure). For private use no certification should be necessary. ~ Doug S.       </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Kamil Żebrowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The ¤20,000 is a acceptable cost. Your idea is pretty good, it is really good to hear a advice from more experience person. And one more question, this kind of sub need to register or certificated, yes?  </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-07-17 21:58 GMT+02:00 Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">That's a good question, but one that's hard to nail down just the same. It very much depends on the skills you currently have and the machinery available to you. If you are a fabricator with decent skills and a "fully loaded" machine shop, you could probably do a K-350 for $12,000 - $20,000 (depending on local availability of steel and your thriftiness in buying other parts). If you lack fab skills/access to a shop you will need to hire some of the work out and this will increase the cost of the build significantly (perhaps to the $35,000 - $50,000 range). <div><br></div><div>Any way you slice it, if you are building a sub it's going to mean some combination of sweat and money. In my opinion the best thing to do is split the project into several stages - like Pressure hull, Ballasting system, Propulsion, Cabin, Exterior - Then start with basic pressure hull and don't worry about anything else until the basic pressure hull is complete. Just my idea... Doug S.   </div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Kamil Żebrowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I am sound like a newbie. So the best starting point is K-250, K-350? What is a cost of K-350? Douglas thank you for advice.</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-07-17 20:23 GMT+02:00 Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Kamil, a visit to subs in your general area is a great idea if you can find the time to slip away. 'Manned Submersibles' is an awesome resource as well, kudos to you for your willingness to do research prior to starting your first build. <div><br></div><div>Without trying to sound discouraging, I want to say that to me, the goals you outlined in a previous email seem quite ambitious. If you have the financial means, time/space and necessary fabrication skills, anything is possible, but for many of us, we're on a "budget" when it comes to all of those things, so you may find that your dream sub is not practical as a first build. In my opinion, a K-350 would be a great project for you to start with, then work your way to a larger sub. Just my thoughts... Doug S.  </div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:16 AM, <a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetic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<div dir="ltr">And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for a sub. I will check that.</div>
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<div>Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should make trip like this,</div>
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<div>Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:</div>
<div>3 person sound great,</div>
<div>dive deep 200m</div>
<div>seas and lakes,</div>
<div>best will be undependly.</div>
<div>Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble, maybe it will help something.</div>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo II. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock. <br></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else make not so much sence for a custom build. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">First step should be a requirement list. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">How many persons ?</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Which range in which time?</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Dive deep. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all? </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Undependly orwith a support boat ? </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a cave diver. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale, </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft tanks</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Near Amsterdam:  Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs</a></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. . </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g</a></span></p>
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