<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3413"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3412">Getting back to Scotts original post, I think he just wants some</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3404" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3403">simple drawings for illustrative purposes for the conference.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3414" dir="ltr"><span> Can you give some detail on what drawings you may require</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Scott. Is it going to involve drawing the whole sub or just things</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>like slices through the pressure hull.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3444" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3397" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3392"></span><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3380"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3384" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3383" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3382" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3381" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3390" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3391"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 28, 2016 10:16 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3387"><br><div id="yiv5730743263"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3386"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3389" dir="ltr">Drawings only show you what was supposed to have been built.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3388" dir="ltr">To document what actually exists requires verification of the dimensions using calibrated NIST traceable instruments.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3385" dir="ltr">Sean<br clear="none">
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5730743263yqt8686038816" id="yiv5730743263yqtfd42442"><div class="yiv5730743263gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3445">On May 27, 2016 3:55:23 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="yiv5730743263gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3449" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3448" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3447"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464388378888_3446">Scott must have technical drawings that came with the sub, heck I have them for Gamma</span></div><div><span>Surly those could be used as </span>reference of existing dimensions.</div><div>Hank</div> <div class="yiv5730743263qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5730743263yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, May 27, 2016 3:39 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv5730743263y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5730743263"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4971" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4970">All this advice hinges on the premises that ABS are going to accept</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4969" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4968">the measurements that any unqualified Wally will provide them. To me</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5027" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5028">it would be a difficult job finding and documenting any out of roundness </span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5092" dir="ltr"><span>& deviation of </span><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5052">thickness along with the penetration
thicknesses & contours.</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5025" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5026"> Perhaps find out first if they have any requirements regarding the</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5050" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5051">professionalism of the person & process for measuring the hull, as the FEA </span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5121" dir="ltr"><span>will </span><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5059">be based on those measurements. </span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5072" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5071">If they do require a certified professional to supply them with drawings,</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5094" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5093">then any 3D images for conference could be taken from that.</span></div><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5060" dir="ltr"><span>Cheers Alan</span></div><div class="yiv5730743263qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4935"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5730743263yahoo_quoted" id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4967" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4966" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4965" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv5730743263yqt8946631897" id="yiv5730743263yqt76161"><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4964" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_4963" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:04 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv5730743263y_msg_container" id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5127"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv5730743263"><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5129">
<div>Cliff,</div><div>Which software is most easily learned? I have no CAD experience. All my design work in the past was all sketched out on a bar napkin. Haha.</div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5730743263composer_signature"><div id="yiv5730743263yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464382580058_5128" style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 85%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br clear="none">From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none">Date: 05/27/2016 8:52 AM (GMT-06:00) <br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div>Scott, I have been thinkin!
g about
your request for CAD assistance for upcoming presentation. I think with your Pisces VI build, you really have both tactical and strategic technical drawing needs. Let look at the long range strategic need first. Because you are going to make some changes to the boat, ABS is going to make you submit a report that among other things has a drawings set that reflects the current build, a weights and balance and buoyant accounting that rolls up the new CG and CB of the boat and a stress analysis of the pressure hull both in the form of the ABS hull stress calculations and an FEA. The best way to get these is through a 3-D modeling package like Autodesk Inventor Pro or Solidworks. My suggestion is to invest in one of the software packages and take a basic 3-D modeling training course on the software. You then crawl into the belly of the beast with your tape measure and digital caliper and take the dimensions of each part an!
d then
model it in the 3-D modeling software. After you get all the parts modeled, you them make up assemblies of these parts that will enable you to turn out the 2-D prints of the parts and assemblies. From this 3-D model, of your Pisces VI, you then can extract the CB, CG of the boat. All of these 3-D software packages let you export STEP files of the model that can be read by the FEA software Sean uses. If you pay some one to build this 3-D model, first of all it will cost a lot of money and every time you change anything you will have to go back the guy for an update. In the long run, having this skill set (3-D modeling) will be very useful for future mechanical projects off all types. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>From a tactical perspective, what people are most interested in, from my perspective, on your renovation is what is the state of the boat at the time you acquired it documented by lots of pictures, and wh!
at the
big pictures is on what you think you will need to do to get your ABS A1 recertification and lastly what are the major structural changes you are planning. I don't know how much time you have for your presentation but my guess is 20 minutes or so. If this is the case, on average you can count on about 1 min per slide so you have 20 slides to present. This does not leave much time for presenting CAD work. You might be able to get away with the basic drawing tools in Power point for these few slides on the changes. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Make sure you put a slide in for your new mega shop which we are all salivating over and how you are going to dive this boat when your done in Kansas!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cliff</div></div><div class="yiv5730743263yqt7817470605" id="yiv5730743263yqt88851"><div class="yiv5730743263gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5730743263gmail_quote">On Thu, May 26, 2016 at !
10:41
AM, via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5730743263gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">OK. Thanks for the information<br clear="none">
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Scott Waters<br clear="none">
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> Yeah, but it's very intuitive once you get into it. Plus you could generate data to make parts using a CNC. More computer power = good thing !<br clear="none">
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> Brian<br clear="none">
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> I am worried about the amount of time it would take me to learn to be good with the software. From my understanding, it is quite the ramp up time.<br clear="none">
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> Thank you,<br clear="none">
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> > Scott, You might want to think about getting set up with "machine works" it's a type of cad program that integrates into CNC and also has some FEA capability ( very advanced stuff) . But you would need some serious computer power to run the program. But then designed components could then be coded for machining, it has extensive modeling etc.. , state of the art stuff. - Brian <br clear="none">
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> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<br clear="none">
> > Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 15:06:13 -0500<br clear="none">
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> > I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am planning on doing a presentation at Underwater Intervention about the Pisces VI submarine. I am wanting to show the components of the submarine how the sub originally was and then how we are changing it. I am not trained in CAD and was wondering if there is someone out there that could easily do this?<br clear="none">
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