<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460741461666_8596"><span>Thank you Sean,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460741461666_8565"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460741461666_8564">If I understand you, I could add thickness to the inside or outside of the hull and machine the hatch or port seat into the hull and extra thickness ring. The alternative would be to make an insert that is thicker and weld it in. That is not desirable because the weld would be Gigantic, plus it would need to be re-machined anyways.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460741461666_8565"><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, April 15, 2016 10:56 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6607054922"><div><div dir="ltr">It could be done for the hatch, but the interface would have to be exactly normal to the sphere surface, otherwise reinforcement around the opening becomes necessary, in which case you have to derate the shell to match the effective reinforcement provided by the existing shell thickness, and are then carrying extraneous material elsewhere. This would always be the case for any window seat or other opening which you actually remove steel from. If you plan a hatch like this, all the same rules apply as for hull shells, with regard to full penetration welds and reinforcement around openings for e.g. dogging shafts or viewports. Also, the hatch material, if following exactly the same shape, must be at least as strong as the shell. </div>
<div dir="ltr">I ran into this problem on my hull design, where specified limits for plate steel strength are given by ABS, but my hatch was going to be a casting of equivalent material. According to the rules, castings have to be 20% thicker than the numbers would indicate in the absence of exhaustive destructive testing to demonstrate equivalence to plate material. It wouldn't be a bad idea to go slightly thicker regardless, so as to ensure a continuous load path from the hull shell without any geometric discontinuities.</div>
<div dir="ltr">In any case, what you don't want to do is machine features into your contiguous shell which introduce stress concentrations (screw holes, stepped seats etc.) without either adding reinforcement, or derating the hull shell accordingly.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Sean</div>
<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6607054922gmail_quote">On April 7, 2016 7:22:26 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="yiv6607054922gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="yiv6607054922yqt6254124343" id="yiv6607054922yqt43483"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div id="yiv6607054922yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078014126_5663">Hi Sean,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6607054922yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078014126_5663">If a guy was to buy a 48inch id CNG sphere with a 4 inch shell thickness, would it be necessary to weld in a land ring and port seat. Or could a guy or gal rough cut the necessary holes then put their flange machine to work to machine seats in the shell. It seems logical to me that could be done for the hatch because the load would be supported by the same steel in the hatch. Or am I out to lunch? </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6607054922yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078014126_5663">Hank</div></div></div><div style="margin-top:2.5em;margin-bottom:1em;border-bottom:1px solid #000;"></div><pre class="yiv6607054922k9mail"></pre><hr><br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></blockquote></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt6254124343" id="yqt21295">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>