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<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">In general you can dive to any wreck and take a look. Things change if you get you hands or grap on it. </span></p>
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<p>Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Vessel salvage</p>
<p>Datum: 2016-02-08T21:05:44+0100</p>
<p>Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org></p>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454960597978_2874"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454960597978_2875">How can anyone claim the water it sits in. I understand the rights of the ship owner, they do not own the ground it sits on or the area around it. If so then they </span>should be paying rent to the land owner lol. Who has jurisdiction in international waters, hmmm maybe Canada has a say.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> On Monday, February 8, 2016 12:35 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br /></span></div>
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<div class="yiv8087859359MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: " calibri", sans-serif;color: #1F497D;">Wrecks are often owned by individuals or corporations. Military wrecks are owned in perpetuity by the original country of flag. Unless the owner publicly relinquishes ownership, an abandoned vessel is still owned by the original owner and is not finders keepers. Maritime law is very specific in that someone who salvages an abandoned vessel may earn a reward for their efforts based on the risks taken, but the vessel and all fittings and cargo are still owned by the original vessel owner. Wreckers don't have a lot of legal footing these days. All that 1700's Spanish gold all over the east coast still really belongs to Spain, but they have only just now started chasing their rights on more recent wrecks. When you find that Spanish Galleon wrecked in Lake Minnewanka you better get a lawyer.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8087859359MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: " calibri", sans-serif;color: #1F497D;">Here is BC any vessel on the bottom for two years or more is owned by the province. </span></div>
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