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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cliff,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Congratulations on your sub successes. Very impressive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For what it's worth IVC modifies an inflatable to raise and tow their SportSub line at high speed (pics on their web site). The sub on the inflatable requires less water to float off the trailer than the sub alone. Your dive planes may interfere with the inflatable's tubes, but otherwise it wouldn’t be difficult to cut the transom off an existing inflatable and install protective foam on the inflatable's floor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system. Have you ever worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of? I wonder how hard it would be to seal. Sounds like another project.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Cliff,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull & in to the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>hatch.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>Alec<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Cliff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards, Hugh</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Cliff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks Cliff,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>congratulations on getting the refit finished.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>What was the steering like on surface & diving.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>for that, I thought that tale section would just be an<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>appendage now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>clear water, you will be blown away.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Cheers Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojwoedzn8ms" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0066CC'>Lake Amistad 2016</span></a> is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Clif<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>