<p dir="ltr">No rear spoiler wing for me Alan.. Happy Holidays to all..</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2015 1:39 PM, "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>I've been doing a bit of homework on this.</span></div><div><span>There doesn't seem to be any ballast tanks; just lift bags that can be</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>operated internally & externally for emergencies. I have never seen</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>anything more than the dome out of the water.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>It is based on quad copter operation. I will mention that I bought some</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>quad copter gyro stabilization electronics years ago with view to doing</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>something similar.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Here is an entertaining Gizmag video on it.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AIlmrRv4o" target="_blank">Review: Deepflight Dragon - submarine meets quadcopter</a><br></span></div><div style="width:450px;font-family:'Georgia','Times','Times New Roman','serif';margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;background-color:#ffffff"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="width:450px;height:170px;display:block"><tbody><tr><td colspan="8" style="height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="min-height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;line-height:0px"> </div></td></tr><tr><td rowspan="5" style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt"> </div></td><td rowspan="5" style="vertical-align:middle;width:168px;height:168px;border-collapse:collapse;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="width:168px" align="center"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AIlmrRv4o" style="text-decoration:none!important;text-decoration:none;color:#000000!important" target="_blank" class="playable"><img alt="image" src="https://s.yimg.com/vv//api/res/1.2/42r4oYdRa7kHcoDY1Asp7w--/YXBwaWQ9bWFpbDtmaT1maWxsO2g9MTY4O3c9MTY4/https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G7AIlmrRv4o/hqdefault.jpg.cf.jpg" width="168" height="168" style="display:block;margin:auto"></a></div></td><td rowspan="5" style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:0pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt"> </div></td><td rowspan="5" style="width:14px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:0pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="width:14px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:14pt"> </div></td><td colspan="2" style="height:6px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:0pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="min-height:6px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:6pt"> </div></td><td rowspan="5" style="width:20px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:0pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="width:20px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:20pt"> </div></td><td rowspan="5" width="1" style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt"> </div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="width:100%;vertical-align:middle;font-family:'Georgia','Times','Times New Roman','serif'"><div style="line-height:16.5px;background-color:#ffffff;min-height:135px;width:245px"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;word-break:break-all"><span></span><span></span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AIlmrRv4o" style="text-decoration:none!important;text-decoration:none;color:#000000!important;line-height:100%;font-size:18px;display:block" target="_blank"><span style="margin:0;font-weight:normal;margin-bottom:3px;font-size:18px;line-height:21px;max-height:43px;color:#000000;overflow:hidden!important;display:inline-block">Review: Deepflight Dragon - submarine meets quadcopter</span></a></div></div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="height:4px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:0pt;border-collapse:collapse"><div style="min-height:4px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:4pt"></div></td></tr><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle;font-family:'Arial','Helvetica Neue','Helvetica','sans-serif'"><div style="font-size:0pt"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AIlmrRv4o" style="color:black;text-decoration:none!important;text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="display:inline-block;line-height:11px;max-width:145px;min-width:85px;overflow:hidden;max-height:13px;word-break:break-all"><span style="vertical-align:middle;font-size:9px;line-height:11px;color:#999999">View on <span style="font-weight:bold">www.youtube.com</span></span></span></a><span title="480"></span><span title="270"></span><span title="https://www.youtu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rque</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">by using large diameter narrow motors.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">There are some good photos of the fuselage & hull in the links on this page.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">He is not scared to think outside the box.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Love a visit to his workshop. Would fly over for that :)</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.deepflight.com/category/news/" target="_blank"><span style="background:white">http://www.deepflight.com/category/news/</span></a></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Cheers Alan</span></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div><div><div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div><div><div align="center" style="background:white;text-align:center"><span style="color:black"></span><hr align="center" width="100%" size="1"></div></div></div><div style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:11 PM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Alan,</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Hawkes certainly knows how to design cool.  From underwater fighter jets to this underwater race car.  I noticed that there is no photo showing ingress/egress on the surface.  Personal submarines, in my humble opinion, really should have sufficient freeboard (often a conning tower) to allow the pilot to operate the vessel solo (without a launch crew and/or crane).  Maybe this one does, the Super Falcon does not.</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">But is sure looks good enough to get the male youth off the jetski and into a submarine.  I know, jetskis are a whole lot cheaper than this boat.</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Tim</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"></span><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div></div></div></div></div><div style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Personal_Submersibles [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> November-17-15 10:12 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon</span><span style="color:black"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div><div><div></div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Here's a link to Hawke's new Deep Flight Dragon.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.deepflight.com/dragon/" target="_blank"><span style="background:white">Dragon - DeepFlight - Advanced Personal Submarines and Undersea Technology</span></a></span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">400ft depth capable with composite hull, a 40V system & brushless direct drive</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">motors (like I'm trying to make).</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Very similar in appearance to the 2 person sub Phil is involved with.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">There is a specifications link on the page.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Alan</span></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black"></span> </div><div></div><div style="background:white"><span style="color:black">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span></div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black"></span> _______________________________________________
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