<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26326"><span>Cliff,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26328"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26327">I have been reluctant to post a lot on the web forum at this stage,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26330"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26329">as there is a large pool of experience that you eliminate by doing so.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26332"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26331">There are some big fish out there like Phil, that are busy people</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26333">& chime in occasionally. At the moment we will be eliminating </span>their </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334">contribution by just posting on the web on the lighting subject. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334">I personally prefer the mail system, because I can read & delete or</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334">let the email sit there for a few days & maybe move in to the "important"</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334">file. Gets rid of a lot of clutter.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26334">Alan</div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26500"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26499"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26498"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26497"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26583"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:10 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26867"><br><div id="yiv5622823857"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26870"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26869"><div>Jon, Alan has some good suggestion to help with migration. Nothing like a deadline to motivate us to move. BTW, using the Forum for the LED project has worked pretty well. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26868">Cliff</div></div><div class="yiv5622823857gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26877"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5622823857gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26876">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5622823857gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26875"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv5622823857yqt4412196522" id="yiv5622823857yqt06779"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26874"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26873"><div><span>Jon,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>everyone would agree that you have done a great job behind the scenes </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26872"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26871">keeping this group running. If you consider the web blog the way to go,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>how about giving notice of a closure of the email system with a 2 Week</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>count down to give people an oportunity to register for the web blog & get </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26879"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438110214575_26878">their head around what's going on.</span></div><div>Maybe an email every day "12 more days till close down" etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Then 3 Weeks on the web based system to see how it goes before opening up the email again.?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>At least with the web based system if we don't get email notification of web posts </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>due to spamming we can check </span>on site. </div><div>What do people reckon???</div><div>Cheers Alan</div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 26, 2015 3:36 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Email is becoming a problem. It is becoming more difficult to deal with <br clear="none">the numerous ways internet providers are dealing with perceived spam, <br clear="none">and PSUBS email is often interpreted as unsolicited mail even though <br clear="none">I've been careful to configure it to comply with industry standards. <br clear="none">The real problem is that internet providers in their zest to stop spam <br clear="none">reaching their customers are implementing non-standard means to reach <br clear="none">that end.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">You will recall that the latest "fix" was to make it look like those <br clear="none">submitting mail to the list were actually doing so from the PSUBS <br clear="none">server. This is why emails now show "<your-name> via <br clear="none">personal_submersibles" instead of the actual submitters email address as <br clear="none">it use to be. Additionally, more and more providers are simply blocking <br clear="none">the PSUBS discussion list completely and we have no solution for that. <br clear="none">This happened just recently to one of our members and the only solution <br clear="none">was to get an account someplace (usually gmail or yahoo) that didn't <br clear="none">block our discussion list.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Bottom line is that when these spam issues arise it usually kills our <br clear="none">discussions until I can get the time to determine what the real issue is <br clear="none">and find a fix for it. Worse, I never know if there is really a problem <br clear="none">or if the list is just quiet, until someone contacts me personally and <br clear="none">says they haven't seen any messages for a while. I am finding I have <br clear="none">less time overall to deal with email configuration issues and less <br clear="none">desire to spend my time chasing after such solutions. Therefore, I have <br clear="none">resurrected web based forums on the website and set up various <br clear="none">discussion forums. I am not going to shut-off the email based <br clear="none">discussions, but I am no longer going to provide technical support for <br clear="none">them either. For anyone that encounters email issues in the future, the <br clear="none">answer will be, move over to the web-forum.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It behooves us to start this process now while the email discussion list <br clear="none">is still working adequately so we can resolve any issues with the <br clear="none">web-forum. So please take the time to register on the web-forum even if <br clear="none">you still intend to use the email list as your primary means for now. I <br clear="none">personally prefer email to the web-forum, but I have finally raised the <br clear="none">white-flag and capitulated because of the pain involved with trying to <br clear="none">chase the anti-spam policies of major internet providers.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Again, the email discussion list is not closing down, but I am no longer <br clear="none">providing technical support for it. The web based forum will become our <br clear="none">"official" means of communication even though we (including me) may <br clear="none">still use the email method.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Jon<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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