<div dir="ltr">Thanks Cliff,<div>Rick</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span></span></div><div></div><div> Rick, I am not a machinist as well.  I have a friend who is and owns his own machine shop.  I outsourced all the machined parts to him.  I don't remember the total cost but there was some setup and learning curve on the first of these.  I asked him what he thought  it would cost to machine future versions ;hub(1), stand offs(3), kort nozzle(1) and adapter(1) for Subconn electrical penetrator).  He thought he could do the 6 parts for $1500 each.   This is still a bit pricey but better than OTS thrusters.  The problem with this kind of stuff is there is not enough volume to drive a lot of cost out by going to castings.</div><div><br></div><div>Cliff</div><div><br></div><br>  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"><span class=""> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:34 PM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK101 oil compensation tap<br> </div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks Cliff,<div>I was very impressed on how well you documented the process as it sure helps us all.</div><div>Did you machine the SS part that screws into the lower end of the 101 yourself or did you have a machine shop do it?  If you outsourced it, do you remember how pricey it was? I like the the concept but don't have the capability of doing it myself unfortunately.</div><div>Rick</div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><br><br></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span></span></div><div></div><div dir="ltr">Rick, I updated the MK101 thruster project at the Psub.org web site to show the assembled thrusters installed on the boat <a href="http://www.psubs.org/projects/1237684922/mk-101thruster/" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/projects/1237684922/mk-101thruster/</a> . The next time I pull the thrusters off, I will add a picture of the fully assembled thruster alone.  I have not added oil yet.  This is a dry fit only.  I am leaning towards doing what Alec did with his idea to add the SS set screw to the apex of the caps for fillings and to remove air.  This is a great idea.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Cliff<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none">  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><span><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:56 PM</font><div><div><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK101 oil compensation tap<br clear="none"> </div></div> </div><div><div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Any pictures Cliff?<div>Rick</div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span></span></div><div></div><div dir="ltr"> Small Tygon flexible tube filled with oil.  No holes in housing.  On the SS part that screws into the side of the housing, I have a 1/4" tubing with Swagelok compression fitting.  I will connect to this port.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Cliff</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none">Cliff Redus<br clear="none">Redus Engineering<br clear="none">USA mobile:  <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">830-931-1280</a><br clear="none"><a href="mailto:cliffordredus@sbcglobal.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">cliffordredus@sbcglobal.com</a> </div></div><br clear="none">  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:17 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK101 oil compensation tap<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Cliff,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>how are you compensating for oil expansion due to heat with the KISS method.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Are you just drilling holes in the housing & using tube?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><br clear="none">  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:43 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK101 oil compensation tap<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div>Actually in the spirit of KISS, I am going to start out using oil pressure compensation.  If I run into any issues, I will look at using the air or this hybrid of oil and air with a regulator.  <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Cliff Redus</div></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><br clear="none">On May 20, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Jon,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>the alternative is to follow Hugh's idea that Cliff is using & I am going to test out,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>& put a regulator in the system </span>that is set it to around 4psi internal overpressure. </div><div dir="ltr">This means you can fill with oil & not worry about getting every</div><div dir="ltr">last drop going in, or drilling the housing. You will also be able to run it air compensated. </div><div dir="ltr">There is the safety feature that if you leak oil there is plenty of air to replace it.</div><div dir="ltr">Cliff already has the parts sorted, just put your order in:)</div><div dir="ltr">Alan</div><br clear="none">  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:47 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK101 oil compensation tap<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">How important is it to get every last air bubble out?  Surely a fraction <br clear="none">of the total volume is not going to result in catastrophic failure of <br clear="none">the motor housing, is it?<div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div>  </div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div><br clear="none"><div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div>  </div></div></div><br clear="none"><div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div>  </div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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