<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>Upstate NY in the Finger Lake region...perfect for sub testing!</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_224026" dir="ltr">Name of my town is Candor, NY</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_224024" dir="ltr">Had an advanced class license since the '70s and upgraded to Extra Class</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_224177" dir="ltr">a couple of years ago.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223695"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223697"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223700"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223699">Al Secor</div></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223704" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223703" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223702" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223706" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 7, 2015 10:42 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223708" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9110535042"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223711"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223710" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Where are you located Al ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 01:06:15 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv9110535042yqt9515492563" id="yiv9110535042yqt02121"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223862" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">I've been a ham for 45 years....WA3PWX<br clear="none"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223864"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223867"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223866">Al Secor</div></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223871" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223870" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223869" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:32 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425517909290_223874"><br clear="none">I'm a ham in Sacramento, Ca.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none">K6FEE<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">>Hi Brian,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>I have a Ham guy working with me.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Contact me off line. <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hc.fulton@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hc.fulton@gmail.com">hc.fulton@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Hugh<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] On Behalf Of Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 10:10 a.m.<br clear="none">>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Hey Alan,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Do you know any Ham radio guys down there ?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Brian,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>KK6IRC<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>73<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">>Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 19:09:51 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Hank,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>had a quick search but couldn't find any suitable lapping<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>solution for a home builder. There were referances to thick<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>plate glass with a bonded diamond surface & marble as<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>lapping plates.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Alan<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _____ <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none">>Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:29 PM<br clear="none">>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Alan,<br clear="none">>I have been told that it would work, but I am not convinced. I would think the machined disk needs to be harder so it does not wear down. Honestly I just don't know. <br clear="none">>Hank--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>On Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">>To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 9:30 PM<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>So<br clear="none">>do you think it would work with a flatsheet<br clear="none">>rotating on your reinforcing ring?I<br clear="none">>had thought of doing this with the hatch & landing,<br clear="none">>toget a<br clear="none">>perfect seal, not sure if I would need an orbital<br clear="none">>motionor<br clear="none">>not.Alan<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> From: hank pronk via<br clear="none">>Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">><br clear="none">>To: Personal<br clear="none">>Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Sent:<br clear="none">>Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:52 PM<br clear="none">> Subject: Re:<br clear="none">>[PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Alan,<br clear="none">>Yes I<br clear="none">>have done lapping in the past. I mostly lap valves in<br clear="none">>engines. It works great on two tapered faces. <br clear="none">>Hank--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>On Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via<br clear="none">>Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Subject: Re:<br clear="none">>[PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">> To:<br clear="none">>"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 6:39 PM<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hank,are you<br clear="none">> familiar with lapping?Rubbing<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>two surfaces together with abrasive paste in<br clear="none">> betweenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapping<br clear="none">> Haven't<br clear="none">> done it but have<br clear="none">>seen it in operation; you can get a very<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>smoothsurface<br clear="none">> with this technique. Not sure<br clear="none">>if you could adapt it to your<br clear="none">> newflange<br clear="none">> facing machine.The<br clear="none">> machine I<br clear="none">>saw in operation was slow but required very little<br clear="none">> attention.Alan<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> From: hank pronk<br clear="none">>via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> To: Personal<br clear="none">> Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Sent:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:18 PM<br clear="none">> Subject:<br clear="none">>Re:<br clear="none">> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Steve,<br clear="none">> I am half way done<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>building my flange facing machine, I should be mostly<br clear="none">>done<br clear="none">> tomorrow. My rig already weighs<br clear="none">>about 700 lbs. I think<br clear="none">> it is important<br clear="none">>that it is heavy and mine is built heavier<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>than the ones on YouTube. If it fails I can do as you<br clear="none">> mention. I actually did exactly what you say<br clear="none">>on<br clear="none">> Gamma's window frames. I used paint<br clear="none">>and glass with fine<br clear="none">> wet sand paper. I would<br clear="none">>guess the SS ring was much harder<br clear="none">> than the<br clear="none">>516-70 I have.<br clear="none">> Hank<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">> On Fri, 3/6/15, Stephen Fordyce via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>Subject: Re:<br clear="none">> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring<br clear="none">>machining<br clear="none">> To:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 4:06 PM<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi Hank,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> We used<br clear="none">>a flame facing machine recently at<br clear="none">> work to<br clear="none">>do a<br clear="none">> stainless steel flange on a<br clear="none">> pressure vessel about 800mm ID.<br clear="none">> We hired it<br clear="none">> to use<br clear="none">>ourselves at great expense, and the thing<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>weighed a couple of hundred kilos, was very<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>solid.<br clear="none">> The fitter who did the job was<br clear="none">>very<br clear="none">> experienced<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>machinist (but hadn't used<br clear="none">> one before)<br clear="none">>but could not get<br clear="none">> the finish<br clear="none">> very smooth - I can't find photos sorry,<br clear="none">>but<br clear="none">> it was like regular machining grooves<br clear="none">>but much<br clear="none">> larger - and<br clear="none">> it<br clear="none">>looked pretty ordinary. He<br clear="none">> spent several<br clear="none">>hours with a<br clear="none">> grinder cleaning<br clear="none">> it up.<br clear="none">> On balance, it<br clear="none">>probably would have<br clear="none">> been easier<br clear="none">> to just flatten it manually<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>with a grinder (but it was on a<br clear="none">> live<br clear="none">> liquefied natural gas plant and they don't<br clear="none">>like<br clear="none">> sparks:) ). Wasn't critical to<br clear="none">>get a flat<br clear="none">> face as we<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>were just making room for a<br clear="none">> gasket in a<br clear="none">>slot to have more<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">>compression.<br clear="none">> After getting it pretty<br clear="none">>flat<br clear="none">> with a straight<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>edge, the fine<br clear="none">> stuff/quality control could<br clear="none">>be done by a thin<br clear="none">> layer of paint on a<br clear="none">>known flat plate or<br clear="none">> machined flange<br clear="none">> which you put on the welded<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>flange and then where there is<br clear="none">> no<br clear="none">>paint<br clear="none">> deposited, you know that area is too<br clear="none">>low. Obviously<br clear="none">> paint is no good, but<br clear="none">>colored oil or 2-layered<br clear="none">> carbon paper<br clear="none">> (nice because then you have a<br clear="none">> trace of it) would probably<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>work, or<br clear="none">> charcoal.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>Cheers,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Steve<br clear="none">> On 06/03/2015 11:40<br clear="none">> PM,<br clear="none">> "hank pronk via<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> Brian,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> No, the machine is<br clear="none">>connected<br clear="none">> to the inside lip of the<br clear="none">> ring. The<br clear="none">> machine rotates<br clear="none">>on a center pivot. The cutter<br clear="none">> rotates<br clear="none">>instead of the part.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hank<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">>--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Thu, 3/5/15, Brian<br clear="none">>Cox<br clear="none">> via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Subject: Re:<br clear="none">> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring<br clear="none">>machining<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> To:<br clear="none">>"Personal Submersibles General<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Discussion"<br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Received: Thursday,<br clear="none">>March<br clear="none">> 5, 2015, 9:15 PM<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hank, are you going to<br clear="none">> be<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> turning the whole<br clear="none">> fricking sub ?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Brian<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> --- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> From:<br clear="none">>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Subject:<br clear="none">>[PSUBS-MAILIST]<br clear="none">> Gamma ring machining<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Date:<br clear="none">>Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:00:24 -0800<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Today my<br clear="none">> welder came to my shop and<br clear="none">>welded the<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> reinforcing<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> ring into<br clear="none">> Gamma, 10 passes, looks perfect!<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Next<br clear="none">> step, machine the<br clear="none">>ring. I am going to make a<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> flange facing machine from<br clear="none">> a one ton truck full<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> floater differential hub<br clear="none">>and a part or two borrowed<br clear="none">> from<br clear="none">> my<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> spare lathe. The rig will be hydraulic<br clear="none">>drive. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> This may<br clear="none">>or may not<br clear="none">> work. :-) If it works and<br clear="none">>I<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> am confident it<br clear="none">>will, I can also face CT<br clear="none">> lands, with the<br clear="none">> CT<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> welded in place.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hank<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> mailing list<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" 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