<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><DIV>Hey Alan,</DIV><DIV>                    Do you know any Ham radio guys down there ?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Brian,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>KK6IRC</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>73<BR><BR>--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<BR><BR>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR>Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 19:09:51 +0000 (UTC)<BR><BR></DIV><DIV style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>Hank,</SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>had a quick search but couldn't find any suitable lapping</SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>solution for a home builder. There were referances to thick</SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>plate glass with a bonded diamond surface & marble as</SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>lapping plates.</SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>Alan</SPAN></DIV><BR>  <DIV style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <DIV style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <DIV dir="ltr"> <HR size="1">  <FONT face="Arial" size="2"> <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">From:</SPAN></B> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">To:</SPAN></B> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:29 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR> </FONT> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>Alan,<BR>I have been told that it would work, but I am not convinced.  I would think the machined disk needs to be harder so it does not wear down.  Honestly I just don't know.  <BR>Hank--------------------------------------------<BR>On Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR> Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 9:30 PM<BR> <BR> So<BR> do you think it would work with a flatsheet<BR> rotating on your reinforcing ring?I<BR> had thought of doing this with the hatch & landing,<BR> toget a<BR> perfect seal, not sure if I would need an orbital<BR> motionor<BR> not.Alan<BR>     <BR>    From: hank pronk via<BR> Personal_Submersibles<BR> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR> <BR> To: Personal<BR> Submersibles General Discussion<BR> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> <BR> <BR> Sent:<BR> Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:52 PM<BR>  Subject: Re:<BR> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR> <BR>   <BR> <BR> Alan,<BR> Yes I<BR> have done lapping in the past.  I mostly lap valves in<BR> engines.  It works great on two tapered faces.  <BR> Hank--------------------------------------------<BR> On Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via<BR> Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR> wrote:<BR> <BR>  Subject: Re:<BR> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR>  To:<BR> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>  Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 6:39 PM<BR>  <BR>  Hank,are you<BR>  familiar with lapping?Rubbing<BR> <BR> two surfaces together with abrasive paste in<BR>  betweenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapping<BR>  Haven't<BR>  done it but have<BR> seen it in operation; you can get a very<BR> <BR> smoothsurface<BR>  with this technique. Not sure<BR> if you could adapt it to your<BR>  newflange<BR>  facing machine.The<BR>  machine I<BR> saw in operation was slow but required very little<BR>  attention.Alan<BR>   <BR>      <BR>     From: hank pronk<BR> via<BR>  Personal_Submersibles<BR> <BR> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>  <BR>  To: Personal<BR>  Submersibles General Discussion<BR>  <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR> <BR>  <BR>  Sent:<BR> <BR> Saturday, March 7, 2015 12:18 PM<BR>   Subject:<BR> Re:<BR>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining<BR>  <BR>    <BR> <BR> Steve,<BR>  I am half way done<BR> <BR> building my flange facing machine,  I should be mostly<BR> done<BR>  tomorrow.  My rig already weighs<BR> about 700 lbs.  I think<BR>  it is important<BR> that it is heavy and mine is built heavier<BR> <BR> than the ones on YouTube.  If it fails I can do as you<BR>  mention.  I actually did exactly what you say<BR> on<BR>  Gamma's window frames. I used paint<BR> and glass with fine<BR>  wet sand paper. I would<BR> guess the SS ring was much harder<BR>  than the<BR> 516-70 I have.<BR>  Hank<BR> <BR> --------------------------------------------<BR>  On Fri, 3/6/15, Stephen Fordyce via<BR>  Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>  wrote:<BR>  <BR>  <BR> Subject: Re:<BR>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring<BR> machining<BR>   To:<BR> <BR> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>   Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 4:06 PM<BR>   <BR>   Hi Hank,<BR>  <BR>  <BR>   We used<BR> a flame facing machine recently at<BR>  work to<BR> do a<BR>   stainless steel flange on a<BR>  pressure vessel about 800mm ID.<BR>   We hired it<BR>  to use<BR> ourselves at great expense, and the thing<BR>  <BR> weighed a couple of hundred kilos, was very<BR> <BR> solid.<BR>   The fitter who did the job was<BR> very<BR>  experienced<BR>  <BR> machinist (but hadn't used<BR>  one before)<BR> but could not get<BR>   the finish<BR>  very smooth - I can't find photos sorry,<BR> but<BR>   it was like regular machining grooves<BR> but much<BR>  larger - and<BR>   it<BR> looked pretty ordinary. He<BR>  spent several<BR> hours with a<BR>   grinder cleaning<BR>  it up.<BR>   On balance, it<BR> probably would have<BR>  been easier<BR>   to just flatten it manually<BR> <BR> with a grinder (but it was on a<BR>   live<BR>  liquefied natural gas plant and they don't<BR> like<BR>   sparks:) ). Wasn't critical to<BR> get a flat<BR>  face as we<BR>  <BR> were just making room for a<BR>  gasket in a<BR> slot to have more<BR>  <BR> <BR> compression.<BR>   After getting it pretty<BR> flat<BR>  with a straight<BR>  <BR> edge, the fine<BR>  stuff/quality control could<BR> be done by a thin<BR>   layer of paint on a<BR> known flat plate or<BR>  machined flange<BR>   which you put on the welded<BR> <BR> flange and then where there is<BR>   no<BR> paint<BR>  deposited, you know that area is too<BR> low. Obviously<BR>   paint is no good, but<BR> colored oil or 2-layered<BR>  carbon paper<BR>   (nice because then you have a<BR>  trace of it) would probably<BR>  <BR> work, or<BR>  charcoal.<BR>  <BR> Cheers,<BR>   <BR>   Steve<BR>   On 06/03/2015 11:40<BR>  PM,<BR>   "hank pronk via<BR> <BR> Personal_Submersibles" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>   wrote:<BR>   Brian,<BR>   <BR>   No, the machine is<BR> connected<BR>  to the inside lip of the<BR>   ring.  The<BR>  machine rotates<BR> on a center pivot.  The cutter<BR>   rotates<BR> instead of the part.<BR>  <BR>  <BR>   Hank<BR>   <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> --------------------------------------------<BR>   <BR>   On Thu, 3/5/15, Brian<BR> Cox<BR>  via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>   wrote:<BR>   <BR>   <BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Subject: Re:<BR>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring<BR> machining<BR>   <BR>    To:<BR> "Personal Submersibles General<BR> <BR> Discussion"<BR>   <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>   <BR>    Received: Thursday,<BR> March<BR>  5, 2015, 9:15 PM<BR>  <BR> <BR>   <BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Hank,  are you going to<BR>  be<BR>   <BR>    turning the whole<BR>  fricking sub ?<BR>   <BR>   <BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Brian<BR>   <BR>   <BR>   <BR>    --- <A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR>   <BR>    wrote:<BR>  <BR>  <BR>   <BR>   <BR>  <BR>   From:<BR> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>   <BR>    To: <A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR>   <BR>    Subject:<BR> [PSUBS-MAILIST]<BR>  Gamma ring machining<BR>   <BR>  <BR>   Date:<BR> Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:00:24 -0800<BR>   <BR>   <BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Today my<BR>  welder came to my shop and<BR> welded the<BR>  <BR>  reinforcing<BR>   <BR>    ring into<BR>  Gamma, 10 passes, looks perfect!<BR>   <BR>   <BR>   <BR>    Next<BR>  step, machine the<BR> ring.  I am going to make a<BR>   <BR>    flange facing machine from<BR>  a one ton  truck full<BR>   <BR>  <BR>   floater differential hub<BR> and a part or two borrowed<BR>  from<BR>   my<BR>   <BR>  <BR>   spare lathe.  The rig will be hydraulic<BR> drive. <BR>   <BR>    This may<BR> or may not<BR>  work.  :-)  If it works and<BR> I<BR>   <BR>    am confident it<BR> will, I can also face CT<BR>  lands, with the<BR>   CT<BR>   <BR>  <BR>  welded in place.<BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Hank<BR>   <BR>  <BR> <BR>  _______________________________________________<BR>   <BR>  <BR>  Personal_Submersibles<BR>  mailin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