<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9979" dir="ltr"><span>Scott,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9979" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_12876">there was talk of these batteries being used on Alvin.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9979" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_12902">Not sure if it is happening but here is an article that mentions it.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9979" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9979" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_12908"><a href="https://www.sea-technology.com/features/2010/0410/li-polymer_batteries.html" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_12907">Sea Technology Magazine - Worldwide Information Leader for Marine Business, Science and Engineering</a><br></span></div><div 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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9981"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9980"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_12874"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9983"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 3, 2015 7:32 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium batteries<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9984"><br><div id="yiv0612753478"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9986"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1422903190563_9985"><div 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class="yiv0612753478link-enhancr-element" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7797" style="height:9px;background-color:#ffffff;font-size:9pt;"></div></td></tr><tr class="yiv0612753478link-enhancr-element" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_8076"><td colspan="8" rowspan="1" class="yiv0612753478link-enhancr-element" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_8075" style="height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;border-collapse:collapse;"><div class="yiv0612753478link-enhancr-element" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_8074" style="height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;line-height:0px;"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7720"> I couldn't remember their name, then looked at the T shirt they gave me </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7720">at the last underwater intervention convention:)</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7720">They will possibly be in New Orleans for this February's U. I. convention.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7720">There is an exhibitor list.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7720">Alan</div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7715" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7714" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv0612753478yqt4767377752" id="yiv0612753478yqt16947"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7713"> <hr id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7719" size="1"> <font id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7716" size="2" face="Arial"> <b id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7718"><span id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7717" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7792"><span id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7791" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 3, 2015 12:51 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium batteries<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0612753478y_msg_container" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7924"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv0612753478"><div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7923"><div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422901015215_7922">Great info Alan. Do you know if those batteries are soild or do they contain air? I am wanting to do compensated batteries for my new submarine to keep the weight down.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br clear="none">From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none">Date:02/02/2015 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) <br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none">Cc: <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium batteries <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0612753478qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0612753478yqt1243798961" id="yiv0612753478yqt83946"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3088"><span>Scott,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_2999"><span id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3087">the DW2000s are using lithium iron batteries manufactured by this</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3029"><span id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3173">North America company...</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003"><span id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3011"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3010" target="_blank" href="http://beckettenergy.com/advanced-maritime-battery-systems/">http://beckettenergy.com/advanced-maritime-battery-systems/</a><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">At the bottom of the page is a link to their dealings with Nuytco.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">The DW2000 batteries are in sealed pods as per usual.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">There is a new battery technology that the electric car market is excited about;</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">lithium sulphur. They have already proven to be 5 x more energy dense than</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">lithium polymer batteries. They are also expected to be cheaper than lead acid</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">per kilowatt of energy. I am hoping they will be available in a couple of years</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">when I finish my next sub. So I am designing to have battery pods that will</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">be fitted with lead acid batteries, but are hoping I can put lithiuym sulphur</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">in them. What I am trying to do is avoid spending a huge amount on a lithium</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">battery that will soon be superceded by the lithium sulphur or lithium air.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003">Alan</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003"> </div><div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3003"> </div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_2998" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_2997" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_2996"> <hr id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3004" size="1"> <font id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3005" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> psubs <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 2, 2015 3:18 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium batteries<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv0612753478y_msg_container" id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3229"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv0612753478"><div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3231"><div id="yiv0612753478yui_3_16_0_1_1422858306309_3230">I am working on my new sub design and am trying to do everything possable to keep the weight down. One of my thoughts is to not use AGM batteries and use lithium. A few questions about lithium batteries. Does anyone have a source for them? Also are they completely filled so you could compensate them? Maybe use the enclosure like Deep Sea Power and Light?</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0612753478yqt1243798961" id="yiv0612753478yqt36219">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div><br><div class="yqt4767377752" id="yqt42137">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>