<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>I reveiwed my pictures and Nuytco uses hydro-lek manipulator arms with a resevor that looks just like a air bag for semi trucks. I am pretty sure they are hydraulic.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Date:01/21/2015  5:01 PM  (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm <br><br><br>Alan,<br>When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves.  I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe not.  It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing.<br>Hank--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM<br> <br> Not sure,<br> but don't the "Deep Workers" have<br> a hydraulic<br> system using sea water, with externalpump &<br> valves.Does<br> anyone know anything about this?Alan<br>         From:<br> "swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles"<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: Personal<br> Submersibles General Discussion<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <br> Sent:<br> Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM<br>  Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br>  <br>  <br> My plan<br> was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated<br> system.Thanks,Scott<br> Waters<br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> -------- Original message<br> --------<br> From: hank pronk via<br> Personal_Submersibles  <br> Date:01/21/2015 <br> 9:41 AM  (GMT-06:00) <br> To: Personal<br> Submersibles General Discussion  <br> Subject:<br> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm <br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> You<br> need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with<br> before you dive into cylinders.  If you are going with a<br> pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a<br> wiper seals on the shafts.  If you not pressure<br> compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the<br> shafts.  I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless.<br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br> On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters@waters-ks.com via<br> Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br> <br>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br> Manipulator arm<br>  To: "Personal<br> Submersibles General Discussion"<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM<br>  <br>  Gotcha.<br>  I<br> got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with<br>  SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to<br> play with. I<br>  am also planning on using<br> electric silionoids for<br>  controlling the<br> valves.Thanks,Scott<br>  Waters<br> <br> <br>  Sent<br>  from my U.S.<br> Cellular® Smartphone<br>  <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br>  From:<br> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles  <br> <br> Date:01/21/2015  6:54 AM  (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion  <br>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br> <br>  <br>  <br> <br> Scott,<br>  Gamma uses air cylinders with<br> hydraulic fluid and<br>  pump.  The hydraulic<br> system is very standard except it<br>  uses air<br> cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.  <br> <br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>  On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters@waters-ks.com via<br>  Personal_Submersibles<br> <br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br>  <br>   Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br>   To:<br> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br>  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>   Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27<br> PM<br>   <br>   <br>   Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just<br> use<br>   a air compressor? What happens to the<br> air once it is in<br>  the<br>  <br> cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it<br>   recompressed or somehow expelled? I really<br> don't know<br>   crap about pnematics.<br> Haha. Why do all the subs use<br>   hydrolics<br> and not air. For example<br>  <br> hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott<br>   Waters<br>   <br>   Sent<br>  <br> from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br>   <br>   -------- Original message --------<br>   From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <br> <br>   Date:01/20/2015  9:06 PM  (GMT-06:00)<br> <br>   To: Personal Submersibles General<br> Discussion  <br>   Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm <br>   <br>   <br>   Scott,<br>   Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. <br> You want<br>   air cylinders, they are light<br> weight and all<br>  aluminum. <br>   If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can<br> run on a 500<br>  psi<br>  <br> system.  Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods<br>  and<br>   that is the most<br> important part.  The rod size is<br>  what<br>   the water pressure is pushing back against<br> you<br>  system. <br>   Air<br> cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are<br>   cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss<br> rods then just<br>   replace the chrome rods<br> when they wear out.  I made<br>  my<br>   own rods for Gamma, easy peezy.<br>  <br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>   On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via<br>   Personal_Submersibles<br>   <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> wrote:<br>   <br>    Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br>    To:<br> "Personal Submersibles General<br> <br> Discussion"<br>  <br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>   <br> Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM<br>    <br>    Hydrolic.<br>    Also what size bore does yoursub have<br>    Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters<br> <br>   <br>    Sent<br>    from my<br> U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br>    <br>    -------- Original message --------<br>    From: hank pronk via<br> Personal_Submersibles  <br>   <br> Date:01/20/2015  7:34 PM  (GMT-06:00) <br>   <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion  <br>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator<br> arm <br>    <br>    <br>    Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air<br> cylinders.<br>   <br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>    On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via<br>    Personal_Submersibles<br>    <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> wrote:<br>    <br>     Subject:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm<br>     To:<br> "psubs"<br>   <br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>  <br>   Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM<br>     <br>     Does<br>     anyone have a reccomendation on a source<br> for<br>   hydrolic<br>    <br> cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just<br>   wondering<br>    if<br>     someone has a particular place they like<br> to get<br>     them.Thanks,Scott Waters<br>     <br>     Sent<br>     from my U.S. Cellular®<br>     Smartphone<br>    <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>    <br> <br>    <br> _______________________________________________<br>     Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>     Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>    <br>  <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>     <br>    <br>   <br> _______________________________________________<br>    Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>    Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>   <br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>    <br>    <br>   <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>    <br>   <br> _______________________________________________<br>    Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>    Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>   <br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>    <br>   <br>  <br> _______________________________________________<br>   Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>   Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>  <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>   <br>   <br>  <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>   <br>  <br> _______________________________________________<br>   Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>   Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>  <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>   <br>  <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br>  Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>  Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>  <br>  <br> <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>  <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br>  Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>  Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>  <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br>    <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi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