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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=black vlink=black><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Carsten, of course you are right about flying but the clouds do not have hooks to stop the plane from coming down. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anyway, I appreciate your comments. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keith Gordon just told me the following.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A </span><span lang=EN-NZ>book"Sealab" it relates the story of James Bond who developed sat diving. In 1959 he and another guy did a free ascent from a USN sub in 320ft wearing only mask and a Mae West, they pressurised the escape trunk, breathed hp air, no sign of narcs and opened hatch. Inflated vests, as soon as they hit the ocean they started exhaling, they rose at around 6ft/sec, they broke surface 50 secs after leaving sub.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-NZ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards, Hugh :<)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>"Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 17 January 2015 5:01 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Maybe because GL not operate submarines.. </span> <br>Maybe they assume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. <br><br>SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. <br>.. but there supervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver.<br><br>On the other side: <br>Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft.. <br>Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the faces of the stewardesses.. <br>The airlines belive that there are better way to get the passangers home. <br><br>vbr Carsten<br><br>"Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> schrieb: <o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Hi Hugh,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>other initiatives to get the sub up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3795"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3794"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3793"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3894"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8574289492><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3898"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3897"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3896"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3899"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3901"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3900"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3902"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv8574289492yqt13425><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3904"><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3903"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3906"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3907"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3910"><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3909"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3912"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>of the flood valve. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>narcosis & decompression sickness were.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8888"><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8887"><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8886"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> "Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8891"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv8574289492><div id="yiv8574289492yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_9027"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. <br><br>If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. <br>You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. <br><br>The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible.<br>A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. <br><br>One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. <br></span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29</span></a><br><br>another from the internet: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:blue'>Exercise Sorbet Royal</span></b><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine <em><span style='font-family:helveticaneue'>Vastergotland</span></em>, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><br><br>Vbr Carsten <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv8574289492yqtfd16161><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><br>"Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a>> schrieb:<br>> Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would<br>> have to weld through the hull.<br>> My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly<br>> severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking.<br>> Hugh<br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</span></a>]<br>> On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br>> Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m.<br>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<br>> <br>> Hugh,<br>> My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so<br>> short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I<br>> think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet.<br>> Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in.<br>> Hank<br>> --------------------------------------------<br>> On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles<br>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<br>> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"<br>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span></a>><br>> Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hi Guys,My two<br>> Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I <br>> have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is<br>> obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to<br>> opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need<br>> to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you<br>> are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2.<br>> Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles<br>> of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for<br>> 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the<br>> mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5<br>> minutes to pressurise and escape. 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