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size=2> "<FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>SEIE suits to simulate an escape
from the
Swedish submarine </FONT><EM><FONT size=3>Vastergotland</FONT></EM><FONT
size=3>, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark.
.. </FONT></FONT></font>and nine seconds required for the ascent. "
<BR><BR>Means around 13 feet per second. euqal to 4 m per sec in a
Full
suit. Assume Steinke hoods will be simillar. <BR><BR>Means 200 meter in
50
second. Take a big breath if you get out and than breath out all the
time..
<BR>No gas gets into your body during the time to get to the surface. No
Need
for helium. <BR>The surfaceing time is to short to get decomprssion
thickness -
but read the Pachoa Report again - you can learn a lot from
that.<BR> The as scuba diver escaping crewman died after
surfacing
because they stay one and a half hour in the <BR>chamber under
pressure.. in
just 40 m deep or so. <BR><BR>On a german submarine in World war one a
crewman
escape after a day from 32m deep wreck without problems.<BR>And
without any
gear. The guy from the Nekton escape from 80 meter after a window breaks
even
without a gear. <BR>I make a emergency surfacing from 24
meter
as subadiver as my rebreather stops working because of a broken valve.
<BR><BR>vbr Carsten<BR><BR>
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>Another question is do you need to decompress if using Helium mix in
the short time it takes to get to the surface? How fast is
the ascent in metres per second with the Steinke flotation.
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>From:</span></b><span style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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> Personal_Submersibles
[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>"Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
16 January 2015 9:05 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General
Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with
Steinke Hoods.<o:p></O:P></span></p></div></div><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p></O:P></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New"'>The Steinke
hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the
surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the
submarine. <br><br>If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in
100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have
in the hood for 1-2 minutes. <br>You will get decompression illness or
dead anyway. <br><br>The compression time in the submarine has to be
short as possible.<br>A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you
gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your
flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. <br><br>One
drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver
nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a
decompression stop. <br></span><br><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29</a><br><br>another
from the internet: <o:p></O:P></p><h3><span style="COLOR: blue"
>Exercise Sorbet Royal</span><o:p></O:P></h3><p>A NATO exercise, Sorbet
Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the
system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and
USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from
the Swedish submarine <em>Vastergotland</em>, down 115 feet off the
coast of Denmark. The submarine’s escape tower had a four to six minutes
recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded
tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The
exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure
equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or
so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a
decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the
surface.<o:p></O:P></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Vbr Carsten
<br><br><br>"Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
schrieb:<br>> Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to
put one in but would<br>> have to weld through the hull.<br>> My
concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be
fairly<br>> severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow
clearer thinking.<br>> Hugh<br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>> From: Personal_Submersibles [<A
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On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br>> Sent: Friday,
16 January 2015 2:02 a.m.<br>> To: Personal Submersibles General
Discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke
Hoods.<br>> <br>> Hugh,<br>> My understanding is, use regular
tank air because your bottom time is so<br>> short. One of the
members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I<br>> think it
is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet.<br>> Does Com Sub have a
flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in.<br>> Hank<br>>
--------------------------------------------<br>> On Wed, 1/14/15,
Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles<br>> <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:<br>> <br>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke
Hoods.<br>> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"<br>>
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Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM<br>> <br>>
<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hi Guys,My two<br>>
Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good
condition. I <br>> have looked at the escape training
video which was great. Questions. It is<br>> obvious you need a
fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to<br>> opening the
hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you
need<br>> to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1.
How many of you<br>> are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro
coupling for this purpose. 2.<br>> Breathing this will give you
narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles<br>> of mixed gas
for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for<br>>
16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are
the<br>> mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it
could take 5<br>> minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh.<br>>
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