<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19069"><span>Carsten,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19068"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19067">I think G.L. consider that if you keep to all their rules ie. support boat,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19073">communication etc, you won't have need for a flood valve because</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19332">you will be rescued.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066">Also they are an insurance agency & if you are stuck in your sub on <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19384">the bottom in an unknown location, then you can't make an insurance claim:)</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19690">If parachutes were the size of flood valves then everyone would have one.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19066"><span>Alan</span></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19047"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19046"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19045"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19538"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19590"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:01 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19063"><br><div id="yiv5543163956"><title>E-Mail Software 6.0</title><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19062"><font face="Courier New" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421440871492_19788">Maybe because GL
not operate submarines.. </font> <br clear="none">Maybe they
assume that
the operators are not expirence scuba divers. <br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
SL
require flood valve and over pressure valves.. <br clear="none">.. but there
supervisor
operates submarines and are scuba diver.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On the other side:
<br clear="none">Nobody
from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger
aircraft.. <br clear="none">Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the
faces of
the stewardesses.. <br clear="none">The airlines belive that there are better way to
get the
passangers home. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">vbr Carsten<br clear="none">
<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv5543163956yqt3061988605" id="yiv5543163956yqtfd79156"><br clear="none">"Alan James via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> schrieb:
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span>Hi
Hugh,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3847">the twenty minutes
was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his
sub.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3848">G.L. don't require
a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely
on </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3849">other initiatives
to get the sub up.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3850">A pity if you were
in 30ft of water & couldn't be found.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3797"><span>Alan</span></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3795" style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;"> <div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3794" style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3793"> <hr id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3853" size="1"> <font id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3796" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 16, 2015
10:43 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv5543163956y_msg_container" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3894"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv5543163956">
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#yiv5543163956 </style><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3898"><div class="yiv5543163956WordSection1" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3897"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3896"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3895" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too
much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big
thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot
of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh</span></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3899"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;"> </span> </div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3901"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3900"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;"> </span> </div></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3902"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;"> </span> </div><div class="yiv5543163956qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5543163956yqt9192289258" id="yiv5543163956yqt13425"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3904"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3903" style="BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0cm;PADDING-TOP:3pt;PADDING-LEFT:0cm;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-RIGHT:0cm;"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3906"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3905" style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> Personal_Submersibles
[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b>
Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m.<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal
Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke
Hoods.</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3907"> </div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3910"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3909" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3908" style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10
minutes</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3912" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421359196882_3911" style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent
of 33ft.</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just
gets</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure
differential</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">between inside & outside gets less making the filling
slower.</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">As Phil says, you need to add air for the last
part.</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no
control</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">of the flood valve. </span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that
told</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers
of</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">narcosis & decompression sickness were.</span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8885"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">Alan</span></div></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"> </span> </div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8888"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8887"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8886"><div align="center" class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;TEXT-ALIGN:center;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> "Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke
Hoods.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_8891"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"> </span> </div><div id="yiv5543163956"><div id="yiv5543163956yui_3_16_0_1_1421354674059_9027"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">The Steinke hood can be use with
air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very
short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you need 20 Minutes to flood the
submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which
gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. <br clear="none">You will get
decompression illness or dead anyway. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">The compression time in the submarine has to be short as
possible.<br clear="none">A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of
you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your
flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that
it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at
9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. <br clear="none"></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">another from the internet:
</span></div><h3 style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:blue;">Exercise Sorbet Royal</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"></span></h3><div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;">A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated
the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others
from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to
simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine <em><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;">Vastergotland</span></em>, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The
submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time,
(determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but
they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise
worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure
equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or
so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a
decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the
surface.</span></div></div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt;BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Vbr
Carsten </span></div><div><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt;BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"> </span> </div></div><div id="yiv5543163956yqtfd16161"><div class="yiv5543163956MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND:white;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:helveticaneue;COLOR:black;"><br clear="none">"Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
schrieb:<br clear="none">> Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I
was going to put one in but would<br clear="none">> have to weld
through the hull.<br clear="none">> My concern is that the effects of
narcosis at that depth will be fairly<br clear="none">> severe and
that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking.<br clear="none">> Hugh<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">> From:
Personal_Submersibles [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br clear="none">> On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m.<br clear="none">> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke
Hoods.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hugh,<br clear="none">> My understanding is, use regular tank air because your
bottom time is so<br clear="none">> short. One of the members posted
an allowable time chart for flooding. I<br clear="none">> think it is
something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet.<br clear="none">> Does Com
Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in.<br clear="none">> Hank<br clear="none">>
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Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>
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wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Subject:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods.<br clear="none">> To:
"'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"<br clear="none">> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">> Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>
Hi Guys,My two<br clear="none">> Steinke hoods turned up. Made
in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I <br clear="none">>
have looked at the escape training video which was great.
Questions. It is<br clear="none">> obvious you need a fill hose
for the initial fill at depth prior to<br clear="none">> opening the
hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need<br clear="none">> to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air.
1. How many of you<br clear="none">> are adding a Steinke fill hose
with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2.<br clear="none">>
Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2
bottles<br clear="none">> of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15
bar depth escapes and one for<br clear="none">> 16-25 bar depth
escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the<br clear="none">> mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis
as it could take 5<br clear="none">> minutes to pressurise and
escape. Chs Hugh.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> __________ Information from ESET
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