<html><head></head><body><p dir="ltr">If the university doesn't have the info, it should at least be traceable. All vessels built to ASME Section VIII Division 1 require a nameplate that will list the manufacturer, serial number, etc. Failing that, metallurgical tests are possible, but a bit more involved.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sean<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On January 10, 2015 12:54:26 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Sean,<br />Is there a on site test that can be done to determine the alloy?  <br />Hank<br /><hr /><br />On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br /><br /> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration<br /> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br /> Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:46 PM<br /> <br /> Parallel projects... Sister subs... Could be<br /> fun.<br /> Sean<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> On January 10, 2015<br /> 12:19:38 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br /> <br /> Yes but<br /> there two of them.<br /> Hank<br /> On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via<br /> Personal_Submersibles<br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br /> <br />  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br /> bolt in penetration<br />  To: "Personal<br /> Submersibles General
Discussion"<br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br /> <br /> Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM<br />  <br />  If it is suitable, I presume<br /> you're calling<br />  dibs?<br /> <br /> Sean<br />  <br />  <br /> <br /> <br />  <br />  On January 10, 2015<br />  12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via<br /> Personal_Submersibles<br /> <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br />  <br />  Sean,<br />  I may<br /> be able to on Monday.  The sphere was<br />  owned<br /> by a university and we can contact them to find the<br />  manufacturer.  Given that is was used as a<br /> pressure vessel<br />  paid for by a university<br /> working on a government project, I<br />  have to<br /> assume it is good stuff.  Not very scientific but a<br />  fair assumption at!<br />   this<br /> stage.  Luckily it is right in<br />  Brian's<br /> back yard in California so he was able to look<br />  at it and might be able to do some detective<br /> work.<br />  <br /> 
Hank<br />  On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via<br />  Personal_Submersibles<br /> <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br />  <br />   Subject: Re:<br /> [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br />  bolt in penetration<br />   To: "Personal<br /> <br /> Submersibles General Discussion"<br /> <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br />  <br />  Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02<br /> PM<br />   <br />   Hank, any chance you<br /> can<br />  find out what the alloy<br />   is? This will have<br />  a<br /> profound effect on its efficacy.<br />   Sean<br />   <br />   <br />   <br />   <br />   On!<br />   <br /> January<br />  10, 2015<br />   11:51:22<br /> AM MST, hank pronk via<br /> <br /> Personal_Submersibles<br />  <br /> <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br />   <br />   Sean, <br /> <br /> <br />  Thank you, that is helpful.  My idea was<br /> to<br />  <br />  make the insert as t!<br />  ight as<br /> possible (sweat it in)  I am<br /> 
not<br />   sure if the difference in material<br />  would cause a problem<br />  <br /> though. The idea of<br />  seating the port into<br /> the shell a good<br />  <br />  option<br /> also.  I am just chewing the fat here, I have<br />  enough<br />   on my plate but it is<br /> fun to think<br />  about.  I was wrong about<br />   the size, the<br />  sphere is 6<br /> feet and I wrote 60 in.  I imagine<br />   that<br /> kills the rating quite a bit?<br />   Hank<br />   On Sat, 1/10/15,<br />   Sean T.<br /> Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles<br />  <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br /> <br /> wrote:<br />   <br />    Subject: Re:<br />  [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br />   bolt in<br /> penetration<br />    To: "Personal<br />  <br />  Submersibles General<br /> Discussion"<br />  <br /> <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br />  <br /> <br />   Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015!<br />   , 1:40<br />  PM<br />   <br /> <br />    You could certainly<br /> 
do<br /> that,<br />   although a three inch<br />    thick shell is pretty<br />  !<br />  <br /> <br /> substantial - I might consider<br />   <br />  machining<br />   eg. conical window<br /> seats in the<br />  hull sh!<br />   <br /> ell<br />    directly,<br />  and then<br /> derating the hull<br />   to a depth<br />  whereby the<br />    actual hull<br />  <br />  thickness is the effective<br /> derated thickness<br />    plus the effective<br /> reinforcement, which<br />  just<br />  <br /> happens to be a<br />   <br /> <br /> contiguous shell.  The<br />   bolt-in<br /> arrangement<br />  would not act as<br />    hull<br />  <br /> <br /> reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the<br />    hole. The idea of reinforcements around<br />   openings is to<br />    provide<br />  material around the<br />   hole to<br /> carry the shell<br />  hoop<br />   <br /> stresses that<br />   would<br /> <br /> otherwise have passed through the<br />   <br />  
material in the opening, such that you<br />  don't increase<br />    the<br /> nominal shell<br />  stress. This requires a<br />   (relatively)<br />    smooth load<br /> path to redirect<br />  <br />  stress<br /> around the hol!<br />  e.<br /> Br!<br />   ian<br />    recently<br />   asked me<br />  about the<br /> effectiveness of reinforcements<br />   <br />  like perpendicular flanges lining the hole,<br />  <br />  and this is a<br />    bit complicated, because<br /> <br /> some<br />   stress i!<br />     s<br />  indeed<br />   <br />  <br /> redirected into<br />  such a flange, but the load<br /> is not evenly<br />   <br /> <br /> distributed as you move inboar!<br />    d or<br />   outboard away from the<br />   <br /> hull<br />  shell (with<br />  <br /> diminishing returns at<br />  increasing<br />   <br />   distances),<br />  and you also introduce a stress<br /> concentration<br />   at<br />    the<br /> perpendicular<br />  transition. Ideally,<br />  
reinforcements<br />  should<br />    be an effective<br />  <br />  thickening of the hull in the region<br />   <br />   immediately adjacent to<br /> the opening, tapered<br />  smoothly<br />   back<br />    (something<br />  like 4:1) into the hull<br />  <br /> shell to provide<br />  a<br />   <br /> continuous load path<br />  <br />  with<br /> no stress<br /> concentrations at abrupt<br />   <br /> <br />  changes in geometry.<br />    Sean<br />   <br />   <br />    <br />    <br />    <br />   <br /> On<br />  January 10, 2015 8:25:39<br />  !<br />    <br />  <br />  AM MST, hank pronk via<br /> Personal_Submersibles<br />   <br /> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br />  <br /> wrote:<br />    Is it feasible to<br /> <br /> have a<br />    bolt in penetration in a 3 inch<br />  thick sphere<br />   hull.  I am<br />   <br />  picturing machining a hole<br /> in<br />   the hull,<br />  then<br /> inserting a<br />    window housing<br />   with a shoulder(flange)
that fits tight in<br />   <br />   the hole and is bolted<br /> in<br />  place.  Can that arrangement<br />   act<br />    as reinforcement for<br /> the hul!<br />    l.<br />   <br />   Hank<br />    <br />  <br /> <br />  <br />  Personal_Submersibles<br /> mailing list<br />   <br />  <br /> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br />    <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br />  <br /> <br />    -----Inline Attachment<br />  <br /> Follows-----<br />    <br />   <br />    Personal_Submersibles<br /> <br /> mailing list<br />   <br /> <br /> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br />    <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br />    <br />   <br />   <br />   Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br />   Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br />   <a
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