<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><DIV>Alec, are we allowed to conjecture as to what you have created ?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Brian<BR><BR>--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<BR><BR>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<BR>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:15:16 +0000<BR><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV>Ive just had a look and managed to find the old pics lurking on wayback machine. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><A href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html">http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html</A></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV>On 7 January 2015 at 13:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">Alec,<BR>
Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-) The sub must be quite long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs. I sure like the all SS or plastic.<BR>
<SPAN>Hank<BR>
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On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<BR>
<SPAN> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
</SPAN> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM<BR>
<DIV><DIV><BR>
At the convention if it happens here!<BR>
I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random<BR>
high level attributes...<BR>
<BR>
The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo",<BR>
shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for<BR>
skinny people at 31" OD.<BR>
<BR>
The CT is from PC-1402.<BR>
<BR>
The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile.<BR>
<BR>
Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a<BR>
new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy.<BR>
<BR>
Bow dome.<BR>
<BR>
Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them.<BR>
<BR>
Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316<BR>
SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside.<BR>
I hate rust.<BR>
<BR>
The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for<BR>
that one. I suspect one and only one person will love<BR>
it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say<BR>
that.<BR>
<BR>
The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than<BR>
4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which<BR>
is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual<BR>
deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without<BR>
putting a diver in the water.<BR>
<BR>
The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I<BR>
want to ship this one around the world to interesting<BR>
places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a<BR>
spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus<BR>
the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal<BR>
electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Alec<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via<BR>
Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> Alec,<BR>
> When are you going to show us some pictures of your new<BR>
build. Perhaps even a teaser.<BR>
> Hank<BR>
> --------------------------------------------<BR>
> On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles<BR>
<<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM<BR>
><BR>
> Hank,<BR>
><BR>
> Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But<BR>
that's<BR>
> about the extent of it.<BR>
><BR>
> Thanks,<BR>
><BR>
> Alec<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via<BR>
> Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
> wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>> Alec,<BR>
>> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I<BR>
have<BR>
> no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with<BR>
CT<BR>
> would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the<BR>
hull(<BR>
> over 2in thick GPR) It would be a<BR>
pretty<BR>
> simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some<BR>
> external rings and your away. I actually saw this<BR>
sub<BR>
> in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr<BR>
one way<BR>
> to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My<BR>
> brother and I were already salvaging the logs they<BR>
were<BR>
> after :-)<BR>
>> Hank-------------------------------------------<BR>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via<BR>
Personal_Submersibles<BR>
> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
> wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
>> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM<BR>
>><BR>
>> Scott,<BR>
>> this does not look like it could do any surface run<BR>
to<BR>
> speak<BR>
>> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When<BR>
you<BR>
>> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!<BR>
>> Best,<BR>
>><BR>
>> Alec<BR>
>> <BR>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04<BR>
>> PM, <A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</A><BR>
>> via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> wrote:<BR>
>> Ok. Thanks<BR>
>> Hank.Scott<BR>
>> Waters<BR>
>><BR>
>> Sent from my U.S.<BR>
>> Cellular® Smartphone<BR>
>><BR>
>> -------- Original message<BR>
>> --------<BR>
>> From:<BR>
>> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <BR>
>> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM<BR>
>> (GMT-06:00)<BR>
>> To: Personal Submersibles<BR>
>> General Discussion <BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>> Scott,<BR>
>> I lost the pics in a pc<BR>
>> problem You can contact Alan at<BR>
> Silvercrest, he was the<BR>
>> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see<BR>
it I<BR>
> will tag<BR>
>> along. <BR>
>> Hank--------------------------------------------<BR>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, <A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</A><BR>
>> via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
>> To: "Personal<BR>
>> Submersibles General Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6,<BR>
2015, 1:36 PM<BR>
>><BR>
>> That<BR>
>> might<BR>
>> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My<BR>
goal<BR>
>> is 1000 meters or deeper, but<BR>
depends on what<BR>
>> options come<BR>
>> up.Thanks,Scott Waters<BR>
>><BR>
>> Sent<BR>
>> from<BR>
>> my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<BR>
>><BR>
>> -------- Original message<BR>
--------<BR>
>> From: hank pronk via<BR>
Personal_Submersibles<BR>
>><BR>
>> Date:01/06/2015 12:25<BR>
PM (GMT-06:00)<BR>
>><BR>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General<BR>
>> Discussion <BR>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]<BR>
>> Leo<BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>> Scott,<BR>
>> I don't know how deep you want<BR>
>> to go and how much effort<BR>
>> you want to put<BR>
>> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in<BR>
>><BR>
>> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two<BR>
> 34in<BR>
>> domes, one at each end. One<BR>
end opens as<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> hatch. My idea was to<BR>
replace the<BR>
>> hull with 516-70<BR>
>> steel with a CT. It had<BR>
>> a deal worked out at 50K<BR>
>> landed in<BR>
>> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Hank<BR>
> --------------------------------------------<BR>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via<BR>
>> Personal_Submersibles<BR>
>> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
>> To: "Personal<BR>
>> Submersibles General Discussion"<BR>
>><BR>
>> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015,<BR>
> 1:12<BR>
>> PM<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Scott,<BR>
>> Did he say where<BR>
>> and how deep?<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Hank--------------------------------------------<BR>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, <A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</A><BR>
>> via Personal_Submersibles<BR>
>><BR>
>> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<BR>
>> To:<BR>
>> "Personal Submersibles General<BR>
>><BR>
>> Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> Received: Tuesday, January<BR>
6, 2015, 10:57<BR>
>> AM<BR>
>> <BR>
>> An<BR>
>> update on Leo. Silvercrest<BR>
claims she was<BR>
>> sunk in<BR>
>> deep<BR>
>> water<BR>
>> after a insurance claim<BR>
some time<BR>
>> ago. Thanks,Scott<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Waters<BR>
>> Sent<BR>
>> from my<BR>
>> U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<BR>
>> <BR>
>> -------- Original message<BR>
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>> From: via<BR>
Personal_Submersibles <BR>
>> Date:01/06/2015 8:02<BR>
AM<BR>
> (GMT-06:00)<BR>
>> To: <A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR>
>> <BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<BR>
>> <BR>
>> It would surely be nice to<BR>
find<BR>
>> Leo. I'd go into hock again<BR>
for that<BR>
>> one, just<BR>
>> for old<BR>
>> <BR>
>> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm<BR>
>> virtually<BR>
>> certain that<BR>
>> those particular hull(s) were built of<BR>
>> <BR>
>> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and<BR>
most<BR>
>> of<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> <BR>
>> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the<BR>
ones<BR>
>> without<BR>
>> cyrillic<BR>
>> operating manuals).<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> I don't remember how thick the steel<BR>
>><BR>
>> was, but it was definitely made from<BR>
> standard stuff.<BR>
>> Plus,<BR>
>> the main viewport<BR>
>> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving<BR>
>> that<BR>
>> thing was seriously<BR>
awesome. She had<BR>
> plenty<BR>
>> of room<BR>
>> for<BR>
>> two<BR>
>> (or enough for three good<BR>
friends) and<BR>
> that<BR>
>> huge<BR>
>> picture<BR>
>> window in<BR>
>> the front.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> If Hyco had survived (Leo<BR>
was their<BR>
>> last<BR>
>> P-style boat) I'm betting<BR>
there<BR>
>> would be more of<BR>
>> them<BR>
>> <BR>
>> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's<BR>
>> stranglehold on the shallow<BR>
water market<BR>
>> (shallow by<BR>
>> comparison) and I think it<BR>
>> was a really good try.<BR>
>> Sadly,<BR>
>> it<BR>
>> all fell apart before<BR>
>> we could really show her<BR>
>> off.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> We did all the deepwater pilot<BR>
> training<BR>
>><BR>
>> in her down on the Flower Gardens,<BR>
and<BR>
> had a ball.<BR>
>> These<BR>
>> days, she'd be<BR>
>> even better, because the<BR>
>> subsystems and<BR>
>> propulsion gear is so much<BR>
better. That<BR>
> sub<BR>
>> was rated<BR>
>> for<BR>
>> 2000<BR>
>> feet, which ain't bad. How about that<BR>
>><BR>
>> for an option,<BR>
>> Scott?<BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> No fancy steel. Huge<BR>
>> viewport. 600<BR>
>> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2<BR>
>><BR>
>> foot<BR>
>> sphere displaces less than<BR>
6-tons.<BR>
>> Add a pair of<BR>
>> uncle<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam<BR>
>> to<BR>
>> support them. Fair the<BR>
>> thing like a fat tadpole. You<BR>
>> could<BR>
>> probably hold it down to 7,<BR>
maybe 7 1/2<BR>
>> tons.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> Leo weighs 10. Most of the<BR>
P-boats<BR>
>> weigh<BR>
>> that, and a good bit more.<BR>
Yours<BR>
>> would be a<BR>
>> lightweight<BR>
>> <BR>
>> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build,<BR>
more<BR>
>> agile,<BR>
>> easier to<BR>
>> maintain..... The list goes on. What could<BR>
>><BR>
>> be<BR>
>> better? Damn, I want one!!!<BR>
It would<BR>
>> be perfect for<BR>
>> my<BR>
>> <BR>
>> neck<BR>
>> of the woods.<BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> Vance<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> -----Original Message-----<BR>
>> <BR>
>> From: <A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</A><BR>
>> via Personal_Submersibles<BR>
>><BR>
>> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> To: Personal<BR>
>> Submersibles General Discussion<BR>
>> <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015<BR>
>> 7:49 am<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Subject:<BR>
>> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Thanks for the info<BR>
>> Phil. I keep running into the<BR>
>> same<BR>
>> problems of the material<BR>
and building of<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> personel<BR>
>> sphere.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Scott Waters<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Sent from my U.S.<BR>
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>> <BR>
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>> -------- Original message --------<BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> From: Phil Nuytten via<BR>
>> Personal_Submersibles <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Date:01/05/2015 8:44<BR>
PM<BR>
> (GMT-06:00)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> To: Personal<BR>
>> Submersibles General Discussion <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Hi, Guys, and Happy<BR>
>> New Year to all loyal<BR>
>> subbers!!<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Glad to shed some little<BR>
light on the<BR>
>> Pisces<BR>
>> subs<BR>
>> . .We<BR>
>> (Nuytco) have<BR>
>> four Hyco boats –<BR>
>> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5<BR>
>> are<BR>
>> in<BR>
>> Hawaii at HURL<BR>
>> (Hawaii<BR>
>> Underwater Research Lab)<BR>
–<BR>
>> they are out of<BR>
>> service,<BR>
>><BR>
>> currently and may be sold<BR>
>> off if no<BR>
>> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,<BR>
>><BR>
>> because<BR>
>> Terry<BR>
>> Kerby<BR>
>> and his crew<BR>
>> rebuilt them into the<BR>
>> cream of the Pisces crop! There<BR>
>> are<BR>
>> two Pisces boats in<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,<BR>
>> actually<BR>
>> ,<BR>
>><BR>
>> outside a museum).<BR>
>> Pisces –1, is<BR>
>> in the UK, last seen, it was in<BR>
>> parts.<BR>
>> Likewise, P-6 <BR>
>> is in<BR>
>> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking<BR>
>> of<BR>
>> IUC’s vessel<BR>
>> ‘Aloha’)<BR>
>> and what’s left is in<BR>
>> New York as Vance mentions. I<BR>
>> cut<BR>
>> a<BR>
>> deal with my old<BR>
>> friend Andre Galerne<BR>
(before his<BR>
>> untimely<BR>
>> death) to<BR>
>> have<BR>
>> first dibs on<BR>
>> buying P-6 to go into the<BR>
>> ‘working sub’<BR>
>> Hyco/Pisces<BR>
>> display section at our<BR>
>> <BR>
>> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving<BR>
>> technology<BR>
>> museum. His<BR>
>> sons, Lionel<BR>
>> and Eric were kind enough<BR>
>> to honour Andre’s<BR>
>> wishes<BR>
>> and we will arrange<BR>
>> <BR>
>> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets<BR>
>> better.<BR>
>> Would appreciate<BR>
>> it if<BR>
>> you would steer clear of<BR>
this one<BR>
>> – we do plan to<BR>
>> rebuild<BR>
>> to the same condition<BR>
>> <BR>
>> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for .<BR>
.<BR>
>> ‘Leo’ – I heard some<BR>
years<BR>
>> ago that it was for sale<BR>
(cheap) but have<BR>
>> no idea<BR>
>> what<BR>
>> ultimately<BR>
>> happened to<BR>
>> it. Maybe ask at<BR>
>> Silvercrest? About all you will be<BR>
>> able<BR>
>> to<BR>
>> use from the P-boats<BR>
>><BR>
>> now is the personnel sphere<BR>
– you’d<BR>
>> probably be<BR>
>> better<BR>
>> off<BR>
>> building one from<BR>
>> scratch if you want a<BR>
>> thousand feet or less – after<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> first thou, the spheres<BR>
>><BR>
>> get much more expensive.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Reagards<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Phil<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> From: mailto:<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR>
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>> <BR>
>> <BR>
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>> <BR>
>> Sent: Monday,<BR>
>> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM<BR>
>> <BR>
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>> To: Personal<BR>
>> Submersibles General<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Discussion<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Subject: Re:<BR>
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what<BR>
> turns up.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Thanks,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Scott Waters<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> Sent from my<BR>
>> U.S.<BR>
>> Cellular®<BR>
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>> <BR>
>> Date:01/05/2015 6:34<BR>
>> PM (GMT-06:00)<BR>
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>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<BR>
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>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> International Underwater<BR>
>> Contractors. When Andre<BR>
Galern was alive,<BR>
>> it was one<BR>
>> of<BR>
>> THE<BR>
>> deep diving<BR>
>> <BR>
>> construction companies in the world. No idea<BR>
>> what's<BR>
>> happened up<BR>
>> there in the<BR>
>> last few years. Best to<BR>
>> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.<BR>
>> He<BR>
>> knew/knows all those<BR>
>> <BR>
>> guys.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Vance<BR>
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>> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should<BR>
>> probably know this. Haha.<BR>
>><BR>
>> I figure it's worth at least trying.<BR>
>><BR>
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>> Anything is possible,<BR>
Scott.<BR>
>> SIlvercrest will skin you<BR>
alive, given<BR>
> half<BR>
>> an<BR>
>> opportunity.<BR>
>> Or at<BR>
>> least they'll<BR>
>> try. You have to be<BR>
>> willing to wrangle with them. I<BR>
>> <BR>
>> don't think they'll respect<BR>
>> <BR>
>> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one<BR>
>> laying<BR>
>> around. I've<BR>
>> never asked.<BR>
>> You could do a lot worse,<BR>
>> if the hulls are<BR>
>> salvageable.<BR>
>> There are four pressure<BR>
>><BR>
>> vessels (except on Leo). The<BR>
personnel<BR>
> sphere, an<BR>
>> aft<BR>
>> floatation sphere, and<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> two 32" forward VBTs<BR>
>> (that's what is under<BR>
>> the<BR>
>> fiberglas brow that makes<BR>
the P<BR>
>> boats so distinctive. And<BR>
the boats weigh<BR>
>> from ten<BR>
>> to<BR>
>> twelve<BR>
>> tons, depending.<BR>
>> Just<BR>
>> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds<BR>
>> for<BR>
>> load capability. The<BR>
>><BR>
>> P-VI was the most perfect<BR>
hull Hyco<BR>
>> ever did--it was<BR>
>> fabricated in Jacques<BR>
>><BR>
>> Piccard's shop in<BR>
Switzerland under<BR>
>> contract, and<BR>
>> was<BR>
>> lap<BR>
>> finished, as I<BR>
>> understand it--both<BR>
>> inside and out. Lovely thing,<BR>
>> P-VI. I<BR>
>> remember her well.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it<BR>
>> out into<BR>
>> a dumpster. That<BR>
>> might<BR>
>> be another question for our<BR>
Dr.<BR>
>> Phil, as I have zero<BR>
>> contacts up that<BR>
>> way<BR>
>> anymore. Keep me in mind.<BR>
I'll<BR>
>> happily spin a<BR>
>> wrench for<BR>
>><BR>
>> you anytime on one of<BR>
>> those.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Vance<BR>
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>> Vance! Thank you so much. I was<BR>
>> hopeing<BR>
>> to locate one and<BR>
>> <BR>
>> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one<BR>
rather<BR>
>> than<BR>
>> try to build a 1000m<BR>
>><BR>
>> boat from scratch. Any more<BR>
pointers<BR>
>> would be<BR>
>> awesome.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
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>> Thanks,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Scott Waters<BR>
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(GMT-06:00)<BR>
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>> <BR>
>> <BR>
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>> P-I Scrapped out by<BR>
>><BR>
>> Vickers<BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-II<BR>
>> Rumored<BR>
>> to be in a Miami storage<BR>
unit<BR>
>> (unconfirmed)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-III ?<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-IV In Hawaii and<BR>
>> in service (but stony<BR>
broke, I hear)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-V<BR>
>> Ditto<BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-VI<BR>
>> IUC warehouse in<BR>
>> New York, maybe parted<BR>
>> out<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-VII In a Russian<BR>
>> museum (Sevastopol, I<BR>
>> think)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-VIII<BR>
>> Nuytco<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-IX<BR>
>> Design<BR>
>> study<BR>
>> for Intersub (4K<BR>
>> meters, never<BR>
>> built)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-X<BR>
>> Nuytco<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking<BR>
the front<BR>
>> doors, last I<BR>
>> saw)<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Plus Leo, which<BR>
>> was a big-window Pisces<BR>
>> style rated to<BR>
>> 2000'<BR>
>> which, along with P-VI and<BR>
>> Aquarius, are the only<BR>
>> Hyco<BR>
>> boats<BR>
>> that I qualified<BR>
>> on<BR>
>> and operated (although the<BR>
P-VI<BR>
>> experience was not a<BR>
>> good<BR>
>><BR>
>> one for me or the<BR>
>> owners, either<BR>
>> one). I did participate in a Pisces V<BR>
>> <BR>
>> overhaul in Houston, but<BR>
>> I'm not<BR>
>> sure that counts except for the busted<BR>
>> <BR>
>> knuckles.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> I think the boys at Silvercrest might<BR>
>> <BR>
>> have one of the question<BR>
>> marks, but<BR>
>> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that<BR>
>><BR>
>> leaves<BR>
>> one unaccounted for. I'm<BR>
>> betting Mr. Dr. Prof.<BR>
Nuytten would know.<BR>
>> As a side<BR>
>> note,<BR>
>> if<BR>
>> you look at the<BR>
>> Mirs,<BR>
>> you will see where they sprang from. They are<BR>
>> Pisces<BR>
>> boats on steroids.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Those people worked at IUC<BR>
for a couple<BR>
>> of years and<BR>
>> operated P-VII and P-XII<BR>
>><BR>
>> for years after that, then<BR>
took all<BR>
>> those dandy<BR>
>> ideas,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> added<BR>
>> a pile of rubles,<BR>
>> and built a couple of big<BR>
brawny kissing<BR>
>> cousins. Mir<BR>
>> 1<BR>
>> &<BR>
>> Mir 2, by name.<BR>
>> The Pisces subs were<BR>
>> pretty good for the day, but<BR>
>> maintenance<BR>
>> heavy. And rest<BR>
>> assured, you<BR>
>> haven't really lived until you have<BR>
>><BR>
>> pulled<BR>
>> a Pisces battery box at<BR>
>> sea to change one cell.<BR>
What a job!!!<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Vance<BR>
>> <BR>
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>> Scott,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Hawaii<BR>
>> undersea research lab on<BR>
Oahu has<BR>
>> two<BR>
>> subs.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> One I know<BR>
>> is a Pisces & I believe<BR>
the<BR>
>> other is also.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I think<BR>
>> David Columbo has seen them<BR>
in the<BR>
>> last year,<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> he might<BR>
>> confirm.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> They told me they were<BR>
>> losing<BR>
>> funding for operating them<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> as Govt considered rovs were<BR>
>> better<BR>
>> value for money.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>><BR>
>> Alan<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
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to all<BR>
>> the Pisces submarines? I<BR>
believe there<BR>
> was<BR>
>> 10 built,<BR>
>> but<BR>
>> only one<BR>
>> or two that<BR>
>> are still in operation. I<BR>
>> think NOAA has one.<BR>
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