<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Ok. Thanks Hank.</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo <br><br><br>Scott, <br>I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along. <br>Hank--------------------------------------------<br>On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM<br> <br> That<br> might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal<br> is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come<br> up.Thanks,Scott Waters<br> <br> Sent<br> from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <br> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo <br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort<br> you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in<br> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in<br> domes, one at each end. One end opens as the<br> hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70<br> steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K<br> landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. <br> Hank --------------------------------------------<br> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM<br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> Did he say where and how deep?<br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> wrote:<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General<br> Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM<br> <br> An<br> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in<br> deep<br> water<br> after a insurance claim some time<br> ago. Thanks,Scott<br> Waters<br> Sent<br> from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> From: via Personal_Submersibles <br> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> It would surely be nice to find<br> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just<br> for old<br> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm<br> virtually<br> certain that those particular hull(s) were built of<br> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most<br> of<br> the<br> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones<br> without<br> cyrillic operating manuals).<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> I don't remember how thick the steel<br> was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff.<br> Plus,<br> the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving<br> that<br> thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room<br> for<br> two<br> (or enough for three good friends) and that huge<br> picture<br> window in the front.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last<br> P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of<br> them<br> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's<br> stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by<br> comparison) and I think it was a really good try.<br> Sadly,<br> it<br> all fell apart before we could really show her<br> off.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> We did all the deepwater pilot training<br> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball.<br> These<br> days, she'd be even better, because the<br> subsystems and<br> propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated<br> for<br> 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that<br> for an option,<br> Scott?<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> No fancy steel. Huge<br> viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2<br> foot<br> sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of<br> uncle<br> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam<br> to<br> support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You<br> could<br> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh<br> that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a<br> lightweight<br> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more<br> agile,<br> easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could<br> be<br> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for<br> my<br> neck<br> of the woods.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the<br> same<br> problems of the material and building of the<br> personel<br> sphere.<br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal<br> subbers!!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces<br> subs <br> . .We (Nuytco) have <br> four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5<br> are<br> in<br> Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii <br> Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of<br> service,<br> currently and may be sold <br> off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not,<br> because<br> Terry<br> Kerby and his crew <br> rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There<br> are<br> two Pisces boats in <br> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,<br> actually<br> ,<br> outside a museum). <br> Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in<br> parts.<br> Likewise, P-6 <br> is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking<br> of<br> IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’) <br> and what’s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I<br> cut<br> a<br> deal with my old <br> friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely<br> death) to<br> have first dibs on <br> buying P-6 to go into the ‘working sub’<br> Hyco/Pisces<br> display section at our <br> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving<br> technology<br> museum. His sons, Lionel <br> and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre’s<br> wishes <br> and we will arrange <br> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets<br> better.<br> Would appreciate it if <br> you would steer clear of this one – we do plan to<br> rebuild<br> to the same condition <br> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .<br> ‘Leo’ – I heard some years <br> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea<br> what<br> ultimately happened to <br> it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be<br> able<br> to<br> use from the P-boats <br> now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be<br> better<br> off building one from <br> scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after<br> the<br> first thou, the spheres <br> get much more expensive.<br> <br> <br> Reagards<br> <br> <br> Phil<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> From: mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM<br> <br> <br> To: Personal<br> Submersibles General <br> Discussion <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 <br> PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: <br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> International Underwater <br> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one<br> of<br> THE<br> deep diving <br> construction companies in the world. No idea<br> what's<br> happened up there in the <br> last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too.<br> He<br> knew/knows all those <br> guys. <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles <br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General <br> Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 <br> 6:37 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance,<br> <br> <br> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should<br> probably know this. Haha. <br> I figure it's worth at least trying.<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> Anything is possible, Scott. <br> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an<br> opportunity.<br> Or at least they'll <br> try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I<br> don't think they'll respect <br> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one<br> laying<br> around. I've never asked. <br> You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are<br> salvageable.<br> There are four pressure <br> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an<br> aft<br> floatation sphere, and the <br> two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under<br> the<br> fiberglas brow that makes the P <br> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten<br> to<br> twelve<br> tons, depending. <br> Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds<br> for<br> load capability. The <br> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was<br> fabricated in Jacques <br> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and<br> was<br> lap finished, as I <br> understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing,<br> P-VI. I<br> remember her well. <br> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it<br> out into<br> a dumpster. That might <br> be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero<br> contacts up that way <br> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a<br> wrench for<br> you anytime on one of <br> those. <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via <br> Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: <br> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: <br> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was<br> hopeing<br> to locate one and <br> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather<br> than<br> try to build a 1000m <br> boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be<br> awesome.<br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> P-I Scrapped out by <br> Vickers <br> <br> P-II Rumored <br> to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)<br> <br> <br> P-III ?<br> <br> <br> P-IV In Hawaii and<br> in service (but stony broke, I hear)<br> <br> <br> P-V <br> Ditto<br> <br> P-VI <br> IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted<br> out<br> <br> <br> P-VII In a Russian<br> museum (Sevastopol, I think)<br> <br> <br> P-VIII<br> Nuytco<br> <br> <br> P-IX <br> Design<br> study for Intersub (4K <br> meters, never built)<br> <br> P-X Nuytco<br> <br> <br> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front<br> doors, last I <br> saw)<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces<br> style rated to 2000' <br> which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only<br> Hyco<br> boats<br> that I qualified on <br> and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a<br> good<br> one for me or the <br> owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V<br> overhaul in Houston, but <br> I'm not sure that counts except for the busted<br> knuckles.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> I think the boys at Silvercrest might<br> have one of the question <br> marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that<br> leaves<br> one unaccounted for. I'm <br> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side<br> note,<br> if<br> you look at the <br> Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are<br> Pisces<br> boats on steroids. <br> Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and<br> operated P-VII and P-XII <br> for years after that, then took all those dandy<br> ideas,<br> added<br> a pile of rubles, <br> and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir<br> 1<br> & Mir 2, by name. <br> The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but<br> maintenance heavy. And rest <br> assured, you haven't really lived until you have<br> pulled<br> a Pisces battery box at <br> sea to change one cell. What a job!!!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: <br> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: <br> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> <br> <br> Hawaii<br> undersea research lab on Oahu has two <br> subs.<br> <br> <br> One I know<br> is a Pisces & I believe the <br> other is also.<br> <br> <br> I think<br> David Columbo has seen them in the <br> last year,<br> <br> <br> he might<br> confirm.<br> <br> <br> They told me they were losing <br> funding for operating them<br> <br> <br> as Govt considered rovs were <br> better value for money.<br> <br> <br> Alan<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> From: "swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via <br> Personal_Submersibles"<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: psubs<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> <br> <br> Sent: Tuesday,<br> January 6, 2015 <br> 7:27 AM<br> <br> Subject: <br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Does<br> anyone know what happened to all <br> the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built,<br> but<br> only one or two that <br> are still in operation. I think NOAA has one.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott<br> Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> mailing list<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles mailing <br> list<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br></body></html>