<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>That might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo <br><br><br>Scott,<br>I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end. One end opens as the hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. <br>Hank --------------------------------------------<br>On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM<br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> Did he say where and how deep?<br> Hank--------------------------------------------<br> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> wrote:<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM<br> <br> An<br> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep<br> water<br> after a insurance claim some time<br> ago. Thanks,Scott<br> Waters<br> Sent<br> from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> From: via Personal_Submersibles <br> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> It would surely be nice to find<br> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old<br> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually<br> certain that those particular hull(s) were built of<br> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of<br> the<br> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones<br> without<br> cyrillic operating manuals).<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> I don't remember how thick the steel<br> was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus,<br> the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that<br> thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for<br> two<br> (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture<br> window in the front.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last<br> P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them<br> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's<br> stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by<br> comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly,<br> it<br> all fell apart before we could really show her<br> off.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> We did all the deepwater pilot training<br> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These<br> days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and<br> propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for<br> 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option,<br> Scott?<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> No fancy steel. Huge<br> viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot<br> sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle<br> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to<br> support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could<br> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh<br> that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight<br> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more<br> agile,<br> easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be<br> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my<br> neck<br> of the woods.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same<br> problems of the material and building of the personel<br> sphere.<br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal<br> subbers!!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs <br> . .We (Nuytco) have <br> four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are<br> in<br> Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii <br> Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of service,<br> currently and may be sold <br> off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because<br> Terry<br> Kerby and his crew <br> rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are<br> two Pisces boats in <br> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually<br> ,<br> outside a museum). <br> Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts.<br> Likewise, P-6 <br> is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of<br> IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’) <br> and what’s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut<br> a<br> deal with my old <br> friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to<br> have first dibs on <br> buying P-6 to go into the ‘working sub’ Hyco/Pisces<br> display section at our <br> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving technology<br> museum. His sons, Lionel <br> and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre’s wishes <br> and we will arrange <br> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better.<br> Would appreciate it if <br> you would steer clear of this one – we do plan to<br> rebuild<br> to the same condition <br> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .<br> ‘Leo’ – I heard some years <br> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what<br> ultimately happened to <br> it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able<br> to<br> use from the P-boats <br> now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be better<br> off building one from <br> scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after the<br> first thou, the spheres <br> get much more expensive.<br> <br> <br> Reagards<br> <br> <br> Phil<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> From: mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM<br> <br> <br> To: Personal<br> Submersibles General <br> Discussion <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 <br> PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: <br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> International Underwater <br> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of<br> THE<br> deep diving <br> construction companies in the world. No idea what's<br> happened up there in the <br> last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He<br> knew/knows all those <br> guys. <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via Personal_Submersibles <br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: Personal Submersibles General <br> Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 <br> 6:37 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance,<br> <br> <br> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should<br> probably know this. Haha. <br> I figure it's worth at least trying.<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> Anything is possible, Scott. <br> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an<br> opportunity.<br> Or at least they'll <br> try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I<br> don't think they'll respect <br> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying<br> around. I've never asked. <br> You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable.<br> There are four pressure <br> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft<br> floatation sphere, and the <br> two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the<br> fiberglas brow that makes the P <br> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to<br> twelve<br> tons, depending. <br> Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for<br> load capability. The <br> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was<br> fabricated in Jacques <br> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was<br> lap finished, as I <br> understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I<br> remember her well. <br> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into<br> a dumpster. That might <br> be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero<br> contacts up that way <br> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for<br> you anytime on one of <br> those. <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via <br> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: <br> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: <br> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing<br> to locate one and <br> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than<br> try to build a 1000m <br> boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome.<br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> <br> From: via <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> <br> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> <br> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> <br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> <br> <br> <br> P-I Scrapped out by <br> Vickers <br> <br> P-II Rumored <br> to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)<br> <br> <br> P-III ?<br> <br> <br> P-IV In Hawaii and<br> in service (but stony broke, I hear)<br> <br> <br> P-V <br> Ditto<br> <br> P-VI <br> IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted<br> out<br> <br> <br> P-VII In a Russian<br> museum (Sevastopol, I think)<br> <br> <br> P-VIII<br> Nuytco<br> <br> <br> P-IX <br> Design<br> study for Intersub (4K <br> meters, never built)<br> <br> P-X Nuytco<br> <br> <br> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front<br> doors, last I <br> saw)<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces<br> style rated to 2000' <br> which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco<br> boats<br> that I qualified on <br> and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good<br> one for me or the <br> owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V<br> overhaul in Houston, but <br> I'm not sure that counts except for the busted<br> knuckles.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> I think the boys at Silvercrest might<br> have one of the question <br> marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves<br> one unaccounted for. I'm <br> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note,<br> if<br> you look at the <br> Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces<br> boats on steroids. <br> Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and<br> operated P-VII and P-XII <br> for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas,<br> added<br> a pile of rubles, <br> and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1<br> & Mir 2, by name. <br> The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but<br> maintenance heavy. And rest <br> assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled<br> a Pisces battery box at <br> sea to change one cell. What a job!!!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Vance<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original <br> Message-----<br> <br> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: <br> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> Sent: <br> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm<br> <br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Scott,<br> <br> <br> Hawaii<br> undersea research lab on Oahu has two <br> subs.<br> <br> <br> One I know<br> is a Pisces & I believe the <br> other is also.<br> <br> <br> I think<br> David Columbo has seen them in the <br> last year,<br> <br> <br> he might<br> confirm.<br> <br> <br> They told me they were losing <br> funding for operating them<br> <br> <br> as Govt considered rovs were <br> better value for money.<br> <br> <br> Alan<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> From: "swaters@waters-ks.com<br> via <br> Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> To: psubs<br> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <br> <br> <br> Sent: Tuesday,<br> January 6, 2015 <br> 7:27 AM<br> <br> Subject: <br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Does<br> anyone know what happened to all <br> the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but<br> only one or two that <br> are still in operation. I think NOAA has one.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> <br> Scott<br> Waters<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Sent from my U.S.<br> Cellular® <br> Smartphone<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles <br> mailing list<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles mailing <br> list<br> <br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> <br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br></body></html>