<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><font face="Courier New" size=2>If the
scale factor is 1:1 it shall 
work.. :-0<BR></font><BR> vbr Carsten<BR><BR>"hank pronk via
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schrieb:<BR>> <BR>> I am not looking for drag comparisons, I am
looking for failure due to pressure comparisons.  I though I read that
the Nekton subs were built as a model first to establish crush
depth.<BR>> Hank --------------------------------------------<BR>>
On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<A
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wrote:<BR>> <BR>>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<BR>>  To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A
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 Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM<BR>>  <BR>> 
Drag<BR>>  results between a model and full scale does not
scale<BR>>  geometrically.  You have to scale model and full
scale off<BR>> the dimensionless  Reynolds number.  
Reynolds number<BR>>  scaling enables you to scale results between
model and full<BR>>  scale using either a water tunnel or air<BR>>
 tunnel.<BR>>  Cliff<BR>>  <BR>>   <BR>>  <BR>>     
    From: Alan James via<BR>>  Personal_Submersibles<BR>>  <<A
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<BR>>  <BR>>  Sent: Monday,<BR>>  December 29, 2014 1:55
PM<BR>>   Subject: Re:<BR>>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<BR>>
  <BR>>   <BR>>  Hank,I just ran<BR>>  a test on my pressure
program & you get the same crush<BR>>  depthon a<BR>>  sphere
of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm<BR>>  thick as
youdo on a<BR>>  sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm thick.What I
am<BR>>  not sure of is if you can scale up the drag results on
a<BR>>  model.If you<BR>>  have a scale model that is 1/50th &
it takes X amount of<BR>>  force to push<BR>>   it at
3<BR>>  knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the required<BR>> 
thrust?Alan<BR>>    <BR>>  <BR>>    <BR>>     From: Brian
Cox via<BR>>  Personal_Submersibles<BR>>  <<A
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<BR>>  <BR>>  Sent: Tuesday,<BR>>  December 30, 2014 8:43
AM<BR>>   Subject: Re:<BR>>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<BR>>
  <BR>>   <BR>>  Hank,<BR>>       I would
say<BR>>  no.  It would have to be so exact that it would
be<BR>>  virtually impossible to extrapolate from the small
model,<BR>>  and<BR>>   aside from that I think there are other
engineering<BR>>  principles involved that would come into play ,
Sean would<BR>>  be the person to ask !   I know that it is done
in wave<BR>>  tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you are looking
at<BR>>  laminar flow and such things, not structural strength
so<BR>>  much.  You might be able to get a rough idea of how
it<BR>>  would start to collapse maybe.  The larger the model
the<BR>>  better I would think.<BR>>  <BR>>  Brian<BR>> 
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 wrote:<BR>>  <BR>>  From: hank pronk via<BR>> 
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 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<BR>>  Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014
10:52:46 -<A href="callto:0800">0800</a><BR>>  <BR>>  Hi
all<BR>>  If you<BR>>  make a scale model of a submarine in
complete detail. <BR>>  Scale the size and metal thickness, is
it a reasonable<BR>>  representation of depth capabilities when
pressure<BR>>  tested?<BR>>  Hank<BR>> 
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