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size=2>FEA (Finite Element Analysis)  is a 
comon way. <BR>We did it that way on Euronaut, Sgt.Peppers and the
Eurosub class 
boats. <BR>But if you have not a friend familary with this - maybe 
expensive.  <BR>Ask students of a technical
university..</font> <BR><BR>This link shows a detail of the diver
exit hatch. <BR><A 
href="http://www.euronaut.org/content/gfx/technic/3.jpg">http://www.euronaut.org/content/gfx/technic/3.jpg</A>

<BR><BR>Attachment is from Sgt.Peppers after installing the top 
hatch and before the chamber pressure test. <BR>Conclusions was two more
bars in 
the hatch. <BR>Boat survife the pressure test - with installed bars.
<BR><BR>vbr 
Carsten<BR><BR>
<BR>"Alan James via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> schrieb:
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 ><div dir="ltr"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18726"><span>Hank,</span></div><div
dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18728"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18727">I know you have a phobia here, but
you could model it in a computer</span></div><div dir="ltr"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18729"><span>if you bought a few
programs!</span></div><div dir="ltr"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18731"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18730">After one Canadian winter locked
inside for months, you'd probably start </span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span>enjoying it.</span></div><div dir="ltr"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18732"><span>Alan</span></div><br>  <div
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 >From:</span></b> "Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 31, 2014
8:08 AM<br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br> </font> </div> <div
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18734">If the
scale factor is 1:1 it shall 
work.. :-0<br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"> vbr
Carsten<br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div
class="yiv9185248409yqt2628051184" id="yiv9185248409yqtfd78906"><br
clear="none">"hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles" <<A
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schrieb:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I am not looking for
drag comparisons, I am
looking for failure due to pressure comparisons.  I though I read that
the Nekton subs were built as a model first to establish crush
depth.<br clear="none">> Hank
--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>
On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<A
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wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>  Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br clear="none">>  To: "Personal Submersibles General
Discussion" <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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 Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM<br clear="none">>  <br
clear="none">> 
Drag<br clear="none">>  results between a model and full scale does
not
scale<br clear="none">>  geometrically.  You have to scale model
and full
scale off<br clear="none">> the dimensionless  Reynolds
number.  
Reynolds number<br clear="none">>  scaling enables you to scale
results between
model and full<br clear="none">>  scale using either a water tunnel
or air<br clear="none">>
 tunnel.<br clear="none">>  Cliff<br clear="none">>  <br
clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>   
 
    From: Alan James via<br clear="none">>  Personal_Submersibles<br
clear="none">>  <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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 <br clear="none">>  To: Personal<br clear="none">>  Submersibles
General Discussion<br clear="none">>
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<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Sent: Monday,<br
clear="none">>  December 29, 2014 1:55
PM<br clear="none">>   Subject: Re:<br clear="none">> 
[PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>
  <br clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  Hank,I just ran<br
clear="none">>  a test on my pressure
program & you get the same crush<br clear="none">>  depthon a<br
clear="none">>  sphere
of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm<br clear="none">>
 thick as
youdo on a<br clear="none">>  sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm
thick.What I
am<br clear="none">>  not sure of is if you can scale up the drag
results on
a<br clear="none">>  model.If you<br clear="none">>  have a scale
model that is 1/50th &
it takes X amount of<br clear="none">>  force to push<br
clear="none">>   it at
3<br clear="none">>  knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the
required<br clear="none">> 
thrust?Alan<br clear="none">>    <br clear="none">>  <br
clear="none">>    <br clear="none">>     From: Brian
Cox via<br clear="none">>  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>
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 <br clear="none">>  To: Personal<br clear="none">>  Submersibles
General Discussion<br clear="none">>
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<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Sent: Tuesday,<br
clear="none">>  December 30, 2014 8:43
AM<br clear="none">>   Subject: Re:<br clear="none">> 
[PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>
  <br clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  Hank,<br
clear="none">>       I would
say<br clear="none">>  no.  It would have to be so exact that it
would
be<br clear="none">>  virtually impossible to extrapolate from the
small
model,<br clear="none">>  and<br clear="none">>   aside from that
I think there are other
engineering<br clear="none">>  principles involved that would come
into play ,
Sean would<br clear="none">>  be the person to ask !   I know
that it is done
in wave<br clear="none">>  tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you
are looking
at<br clear="none">>  laminar flow and such things, not structural
strength
so<br clear="none">>  much.  You might be able to get a rough
idea of how
it<br clear="none">>  would start to collapse maybe.  The larger
the model
the<br clear="none">>  better I would think.<br clear="none">> 
<br clear="none">>  Brian<br clear="none">> 
<br clear="none">>  --- <A
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 wrote:<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  From: hank pronk
via<br clear="none">> 
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 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>  Date: Mon,
29 Dec 2014
10:52:46 -<A href="callto:0800" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank>0800</a><br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Hi
all<br clear="none">>  If you<br clear="none">>  make a scale
model of a submarine in
complete detail. <br clear="none">>  Scale the size and metal
thickness, is
it a reasonable<br clear="none">>  representation of depth
capabilities when
pressure<br clear="none">>  tested?<br clear="none">>  Hank<br
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