<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18726"><span>Hank,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18728"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18727">I know you have a phobia here, but you could model it in a computer</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18729"><span>if you bought a few programs!</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18731"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18730">After one Canadian winter locked inside for months, you'd probably start </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>enjoying it.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18732"><span>Alan</span></div><br>  <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18699"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18698"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18715"> <hr size="1">  <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18733"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:08 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18697"><br><div id="yiv9185248409"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18696"><font face="Courier New" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419969736535_18734">If the
scale factor is 1:1 it shall 
work.. :-0<br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"> vbr Carsten<br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv9185248409yqt2628051184" id="yiv9185248409yqtfd78906"><br clear="none">"hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
schrieb:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I am not looking for drag comparisons, I am
looking for failure due to pressure comparisons.  I though I read that
the Nekton subs were built as a model first to establish crush
depth.<br clear="none">> Hank --------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>
On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br clear="none">>  To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>
 Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">> 
Drag<br clear="none">>  results between a model and full scale does not
scale<br clear="none">>  geometrically.  You have to scale model and full
scale off<br clear="none">> the dimensionless  Reynolds number.  
Reynolds number<br clear="none">>  scaling enables you to scale results between
model and full<br clear="none">>  scale using either a water tunnel or air<br clear="none">>
 tunnel.<br clear="none">>  Cliff<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>     
    From: Alan James via<br clear="none">>  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>  <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>
 <br clear="none">>  To: Personal<br clear="none">>  Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">>
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<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Sent: Monday,<br clear="none">>  December 29, 2014 1:55
PM<br clear="none">>   Subject: Re:<br clear="none">>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>
  <br clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  Hank,I just ran<br clear="none">>  a test on my pressure
program & you get the same crush<br clear="none">>  depthon a<br clear="none">>  sphere
of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm<br clear="none">>  thick as
youdo on a<br clear="none">>  sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm thick.What I
am<br clear="none">>  not sure of is if you can scale up the drag results on
a<br clear="none">>  model.If you<br clear="none">>  have a scale model that is 1/50th &
it takes X amount of<br clear="none">>  force to push<br clear="none">>   it at
3<br clear="none">>  knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the required<br clear="none">> 
thrust?Alan<br clear="none">>    <br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>    <br clear="none">>     From: Brian
Cox via<br clear="none">>  Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>  <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>
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<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Sent: Tuesday,<br clear="none">>  December 30, 2014 8:43
AM<br clear="none">>   Subject: Re:<br clear="none">>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>
  <br clear="none">>   <br clear="none">>  Hank,<br clear="none">>       I would
say<br clear="none">>  no.  It would have to be so exact that it would
be<br clear="none">>  virtually impossible to extrapolate from the small
model,<br clear="none">>  and<br clear="none">>   aside from that I think there are other
engineering<br clear="none">>  principles involved that would come into play ,
Sean would<br clear="none">>  be the person to ask !   I know that it is done
in wave<br clear="none">>  tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you are looking
at<br clear="none">>  laminar flow and such things, not structural strength
so<br clear="none">>  much.  You might be able to get a rough idea of how
it<br clear="none">>  would start to collapse maybe.  The larger the model
the<br clear="none">>  better I would think.<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Brian<br clear="none">> 
<br clear="none">>  --- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">>
 wrote:<br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  From: hank pronk via<br clear="none">> 
Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">>
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 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br clear="none">>  Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014
10:52:46 -<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="callto:0800">0800</a><br clear="none">>  <br clear="none">>  Hi
all<br clear="none">>  If you<br clear="none">>  make a scale model of a submarine in
complete detail. <br clear="none">>  Scale the size and metal thickness, is
it a reasonable<br clear="none">>  representation of depth capabilities when
pressure<br clear="none">>  tested?<br clear="none">>  Hank<br clear="none">> 
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