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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No what revs is the small motor you found. You said it was very high.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hugh</span><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 31 October 2014 1:07 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12747"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Hi Hugh,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12749"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>I'm looking for something under 3000rpm straight from the motor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12751"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>without a gear box.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12753"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Why 3000rpm? Mainly because that seems to be the maximum that the professional<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12755"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>thruster manufacturers go to; also some other reading I have done indicated that<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12755"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>that was at the high end.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12755"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12760"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12759"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_12758"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2014 1:00 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv0532797367><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>What revs?</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Hugh</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-NZ style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv0532797367yqt83655><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 31 October 2014 12:40 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_2965"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_2965"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>thanks. That one is 15hp & 8" diameter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_2965"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>The motor I do have is 2hp & 2" diameter but just revs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_2965"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>too fast. Hopefully I will find a solution that doesn't need a gear box.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_2965"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3087"><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3086"><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3085"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2014 12:25 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3089"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv0532797367><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3092"><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3091"><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3090"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>What about this one?</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3109"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3108"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><a href="http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/motenergy-me0909.html" target="_blank">http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/motenergy-me0909.html</a></span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3106"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3105"><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>brian<br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor<br>Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:22:42 +0000 (UTC)</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv0532797367yqt12348><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3102"><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3104"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Thanks Hank & Graham.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>I am probably searching for Nirvana here.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0532797367yui_3_16_0_1_1414711859269_3101"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>First I am set on finding a brushless motor solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>I spent multiple hours of Googling, focusing on E-bikes, scooters etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>The E-bikes are mainly hub motors that are narrow with a large diameter, which<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>is no good as far as drag is concerned, plus you need a big prop to get out beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>the diameter of the motor. There are units with 5-1 gear box ratios at 48V 1500W<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>but they can weigh around 14kg. I bought an 1850W Hobby King BLDC outrunner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>motor for $56- & it weighs 530 grams. So more powerful & 1/27th the weight.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>This does 236 rpm per volt, & from what I've read you don't want to be turning your<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>prop at more than 3000rpm on a sub. This means I would have to drive this motor with <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>a maximum of 12V & it's rated for a maximum of 37.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>To disipate the heat from the stationary inner coil of an outrunner, I may be forced to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>go with oil compensation; which is what most commercial brushless thrusters are anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>One solution I can see is to go with a much larger hobby type motor & run it way below<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>it's maximum voltage to keep the revs down. Also I wouldn't be thrashing the motor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>which may help it live a lot longer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Need to do a lot more study here, then experimentation with motors & props in water.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>P.S. Hank I was given a motorized Golf trundler & converted it to a trike with ape hangers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>and pink banana seat for my girls. Boy did they love showing off on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2014 1:32 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alan needs a motor</span><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:helveticaneue;color:black'><br>Alan,<br>I just went on ebay and found a 1,000 watt 48v brushless motor with controller for 200 dollars. It is for an electric bike. I bought one for my son a few years back and it was amazing. He was driving it all over town and towing his buddy on his skate board. 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