<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>That would be easier if we could find one.<br><br><br><div>Cliff Redus</div></div><div><br>On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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      Or just see what it would cost to purchase a used barge of
      adequate size.  Military surplus might be feasible.<br>
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      On 9/5/2014 4:57 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br>
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        <div>From a practical point of view, if we did build a PSub
          Launch barge, it would have to be fairly simple and follow the
          KISS principle to get it of the drawing board and built by a
          committee.  I for one don't have the time to design a self
          powered ship.  I am thinking a larger version of a typical
          pontoon boat that could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We
          would need someone like Jon to be able to set up something
          like a dropbox account that anyone could populate with files,
          drawing, sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have to
          collectively establish the overall capability of the barge (
          how many psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system
          for launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems such as lights). 
          Someone that has a 3-D cad program like Inventor or Solidworks
          would have to agree to take sketches and ideas folks come up
          with and build out 3-D model that we could collectively
          critique and make suggested changes to.  Someone would need to
          do the basic stability calcs with loaded or partially loaded
          deck.  Some one would need to do some research on launch and
          retrieval systems, such as davits  or winches and bring
          forward a couple of recommendations.  Someone that is a welder
          (like Dan Lance) would need to review the construction drawing
          to make sure welding plan is workable.  Someone would have to
          figure out where you would store the barge when not in use. 
          Some one would need to figure out a coating plan for the
          barge.  Someone would have to take on looking at what
          regulations we would need to meet to use this in the Florida
          Keys.  Someone would have to do a material takeoff off
          construction drawings and figure out the cost to build and
          establish a budget.  If we did build a psub barge, we would
          need to pole the group and see how many would be willing to
          split the cost to fabricate based on the estimated cost.  We
          would need someone to agree to fabricate the weldments and
          assembly.  We would need to figure out where to build it and
          what it would cost to transport it the Keys.  We would have to
          figure out how to register such a barge. Would Psubs own the
          barge or would it make since for Doug to own?  Are there any
          legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so who would
          be liable?  We would need someone that is not currently
          building a psub to agree to be the Barge Bulldog!</div>
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        <div>Or if someone would agree to do all the above, maybe we
          just pass the hat and let them do it.</div>
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            <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Douglas
                Suhr via Personal_Submersibles
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                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                Personal Submersibles General Discussion
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                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                Friday, September 5, 2014 3:13 PM<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Conference 2015<br>
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                    <div>What a rig Brian, and a decomp chamber to
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                    I like the idea of a group-designed and group-built
                    support ship, my only concern being the logistics of
                    coordinating a project of that magnitude. I'm sure
                    it could be done well given the proper leadership
                    and organization though, especially considering the
                    diverse skillset we would share as a team from
                    designing to fabrication. And I don't think anyone
                    would complain about the benefits of a support
                    barge. 
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                    <div>Thanks for your go-between work Steve. I must
                      admit I was rather unaware of the ISR event until
                      "snooping" through some of Alec's videos. I'm
                      quite intrigued and may well attend this coming
                      year's event regardless of what is decided as a
                      group. Is attendance open to the general public? ~
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                      <div class="yiv2348508658gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep
                        5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Steve McQueen via
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                              <div>The initial feedback from the
                                International Submarine Races (ISR)
                                seems positive to allowing us to piggy
                                back our conference on their event.
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                                However based on the comments in this
                                thread it seems members prefer Florida
                                (OK w/me).  Therefore I don't want them
                                to go too far up their chain of command
                                if we know it isn't likely we will go
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                                      <div>Hey guys,</div>
                                      <div>Wanted to give everyone a
                                        update on the next psubs
                                        convention. At this years
                                        conference in Vancouver /
                                        Washington we had a discussion
                                        of where everyone wanted to go.
                                        The following is in order what
                                        we came up with</div>
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                                      <div>First choice) Woods Hole,
                                        Massachusetts (See Alvin and
                                        Deep sea challenger)</div>
                                      <div>Scond choice) Manned power
                                        submarine races (Our biggest
                                        potential for new members)</div>
                                      <div>Third choice) Florida Keys
                                        (Dive on the USS Vandenburg)</div>
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                                      <div>Dan Lance and Steve McQueen
                                        are helping to figure out if the
                                        first two choices would work.
                                        More info about next years
                                        conference will come out soon.</div>
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                                      <div>Thanks,</div>
                                      <div>Scott Waters</div>
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