<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div></div><div> Hank, when I look at the Psub project site and look at your Gamma Restoration project I don't see the barge you are referring to. What am I missing?</div><div><br>Cliff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank
pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 5, 2014 6:23 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Cliff,<br clear="none">If you go to my projects on Psubs my 48in sphere sub is sitting on my barge.<br clear="none">Hank<br clear="none">--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">On Fri, 9/5/14, Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge<br clear="none"> To: "Personal
Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 7:11 PM<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Hank, can you send a<br clear="none"> picture?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Cliff R<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56 PM, hank pronk via<br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> wrote:<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > I built my<br clear="none"> barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had<br clear="none"> laying around. <br clear="none"> > Hank<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none">
--------------------------------------------<br clear="none"> > On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via<br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> wrote:<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Subject:<br clear="none"> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge<br clear="none"> > To:<br clear="none"> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26<br clear="none"> PM<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Sounds like a<br clear="none"> lot of $$$<br clear="none"> > dollar signs ! I wonder if<br clear="none"> the subs<br clear="none"> > were partially in the water if<br
clear="none"> it might make the barge more<br clear="none"> > stable.<br clear="none"> Brian<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > --- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"> wrote:<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > From:<br clear="none"> Douglas Suhr via<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"> > <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > To:<br clear="none"> > Personal<br clear="none"> Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"> > <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs<br clear="none"> Barge<br clear="none"> > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58<br clear="none"> -0400<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Or even<br clear="none"> > if we could just find a couple of nice,<br clear="none"> big aluminum tubes<br clear="none"> > or fiberglass hulls<br clear="none"> to work with, that would give us a major<br clear="none"> > head start on designing the rest of the<br clear="none"> system. <br clear="none"> > Before we do anything else<br clear="none"> though, I<br clear="none"> > think we should consider<br clear="none"> weights and sizes. Do we want to be<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an<br clear="none"> > option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two<br clear="none"> small subs<br clear="none"> > (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a<br clear="none"> fairly dense item so trying to<br clear="none"> > handle<br
clear="none"> two subs at once may present issues with stability<br clear="none"> > (i.e. after the first sub has launched and<br clear="none"> the second sub is<br clear="none"> > on one end of the<br clear="none"> barge, thrown in with a mix of wave<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a<br clear="none"> > possible solution but would present its<br clear="none"> own challenges and<br clear="none"> > dangers). <br clear="none"> > I'd<br clear="none"> > love to say<br clear="none"> we'll just build it bigger, but I think<br clear="none"> > it's important to keep this project<br clear="none"> reasonable and road<br clear="none"> > trailerable (even<br clear="none"> if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles<br clear="none"> > (and not tractor trailers). <br clear="none"> > Perhaps limiting ourselves to a<br clear="none"> > single-vessel barge would be best (and<br
clear="none"> would conform to the<br clear="none"> > KISS guidelines),<br clear="none"> but it would sure be nice to have a<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck<br clear="none"> in<br clear="none"> > terms of diving per ocean trip.<br clear="none"> Opinions?<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > On<br clear="none"> > Fri, Sep 5, 2014<br clear="none"> at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > wrote:<br clear="none"> > That would<br clear="none"> be<br clear="none"> > easier. Maybe we should all be on<br clear="none"> the lookout for used<br clear="none"> > barge that we<br clear="none"> could do a make over on.<br
clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Cliff<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > From: "<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br clear="none"> > via Personal_Submersibles"<br clear="none"> > <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > To: Personal<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Sent: Friday,<br clear="none"> September<br clear="none"> > 5, 2014 4:38 PM<br clear="none"> > Subject: Re:<br clear="none"> ><br
clear="none"> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Is there any<br clear="none"> > kind of used boat we could buy and<br clear="none"> modify<br clear="none"> > it?Thanks,Scott Waters<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Sent from my<br clear="none"> > U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > -------- Original<br clear="none"> message<br clear="none"> > --------<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> From: Cliff Redus via<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Date:09/05/2014 <br clear="none"> > 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> > To: Personal<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Submersibles General Discussion <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Subject:<br clear="none"> > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs<br clear="none"> Barge <br
clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > From a<br clear="none"> practical point of<br clear="none"> > view, if we did<br clear="none"> build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to<br clear="none"> > be fairly simple and follow the KISS<br clear="none"> principle to get it of<br clear="none"> > the drawing<br clear="none"> board and built by a committee. I for one<br clear="none"> > don't have the time to design a self<br clear="none"> powered ship. I<br clear="none"> > am thinking a larger<br clear="none"> version of a typical pontoon boat that<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> could be towed by the Boston Whaler. We would need<br clear="none"> someone<br clear="none"> > like Jon to be able to set up<br clear="none"> something like a dropbox<br clear="none"> > account that<br clear="none"> anyone could populate with files, drawing,<br clear="none"> > sketches, CAD files etc. We would
have<br clear="none"> to collectively<br clear="none"> > establish the overall<br clear="none"> capability of the barge ( how many<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for<br clear="none"> > launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems<br clear="none"> such as lights). <br clear="none"> > Someone that has a<br clear="none"> 3-D cad program like Inventor or<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas<br clear="none"> > folks come up with and build out 3-D model<br clear="none"> that we could<br clear="none"> > collectively critique and<br clear="none"> make suggested changes to. <br clear="none"> > Someone<br clear="none"> would need to do<br clear="none"> > the basic<br clear="none"> > stability calcs with loaded or<br clear="none"> > partially loaded deck. Some one would<br clear="none"> need to do some<br
clear="none"> > research on launch and<br clear="none"> retrieval systems, such as davits <br clear="none"> > or<br clear="none"> winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. <br clear="none"> > Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance)<br clear="none"> would need to<br clear="none"> > review the construction<br clear="none"> drawing to make sure welding plan is<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> workable. Someone would have to figure out where you<br clear="none"> would<br clear="none"> > store the barge when not in<br clear="none"> use. Some one would need to<br clear="none"> > figure<br clear="none"> out a coating plan for the barge. Someone would<br clear="none"> > have to take on looking at what<br clear="none"> regulations we would need to<br clear="none"> > meet to<br clear="none"> use this in the Florida Keys. Someone would have<br clear="none"> > to do a material takeoff off
construction<br clear="none"> drawings and<br clear="none"> > figure out the cost to<br clear="none"> build and establish a budget. If we<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group<br clear="none"> and<br clear="none"> > see how many would be willing to<br clear="none"> split the cost to fabricate<br clear="none"> > based on<br clear="none"> the estimated cost. We would need someone to<br clear="none"> > agree<br clear="none"> > to fabricate<br clear="none"> the weldments and assembly. We would need<br clear="none"> > to<br clear="none"> > figure out where<br clear="none"> to build it and what it<br clear="none"> > would cost to<br clear="none"> transport it the Keys. We would have to<br clear="none"> > figure out how to register such a barge.<br clear="none"> Would Psubs own the<br clear="none"> > barge or would it<br clear="none"> make
since for Doug to own? Are there<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so<br clear="none"> who<br clear="none"> > would be liable? We would need<br clear="none"> someone that is not<br clear="none"> > currently building<br clear="none"> a psub to agree to be the Barge<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Bulldog!<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > Or if<br clear="none"> someone<br clear="none"> > would agree to do all the<br clear="none"> above, maybe we just pass the hat<br clear="none"> > and<br clear="none"> let them do it.<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> Cliff<br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > ________________________________<br clear="none"> > From: Douglas Suhr via<br clear="none"> Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"> > <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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support ship, my only concern being the<br clear="none"> > logistics of coordinating a project of<br clear="none"> that magnitude.<br clear="none"> > I'm sure it could<br clear="none"> be done well given the proper<br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> leadership and organization though, especially<br clear="none"> considering<br clear="none"> > the diverse skillset we<br clear="none"> would share as a team from designing<br clear="none"> > to<br clear="none"> fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain<br clear="none"> > about the benefits of a support barge. <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> > <br clear="none"> ><br clear="none"> _______________________________________________<br clear="none"> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"> > <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect"
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